[nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of Entry

Sat Mar 5 18:21:28 UTC 2011

Isn't it enough that we have created all that wasted paper to have laws and
codes on the books?  Now we expect those laws to be enforced???  Really,
isn't enough enough for us??? /evil grin/

Oregon, too, is very very bad that way, and it's not just with disability
law and issues.  Our land use laws are insane to begin with -- the least
consumer protection of all 50 states, last I heard.  What few protections
there are, and the city and county codes, are not enforced.  One cannot hire
an attorney, either, since so few of them handle tenant/consumer clients
against the property management companies and landowners...  Who just
coincidentally have all of those law firms on retainer so even if a tenant
could come up with $250/hr up front (ha!), the attorney would have a
conflict of interest.  Sigh.  The abuses of the landowners and property
management companies are sometimes quite astounding.

So for those of us with disabilities, there can be a pretty heavy duty
double whammy, and not a gosh darn thing to do about except make a lot of
phones calls to find out you are so totally on your own...  

As for all those wonderful resources everybody assumes they give us just to
make us feel better about ourselves....  You can waste a whole lot of time
and energy and even money trying to get ahold of someone to tell you that
those resources are much too precious to be wasted on the likes of you!
Given that I know enough of the "you's" in question to realize that this is
the universal response, I do wonder where the resources go...  Except to pay
the salaries of individuals whose only talent is telling people in need how
undeserving they are.  Ugh!

So with my dog and potential access issues, I tend to simply do my part to
be a responsible handler and have to hope for the best when someone starts
with a challenge...  And I keep working like a fiend and just creeping along
to fully recover from my VR experience so that I can go to the press with
some credibility behind me...

And I should be working, not yacking!  /grin/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Lisa Irving
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 10:36 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of Entry

here in  "America's Finest" city of San Diego we unenforceable  guide dog 
laws. NO ONE  is willing to step up to the plate and enforce them. 
seriously! . Not Codes Compliance, not the City's ADA Coordinator, not the 
police. My friend, Landon's handler, made inquiries up and down the state. 
There really isn't the realistic option to sue either. ADA attorneys have 
limited resources to put up front to pursue these types of cases.The 
fronting of guide dog lawsuits falls on the one who is least likely to have 
the funds to put out.  It appears the only recourse is to appeal to the 
media. How pitiful that we have laws and our City mayor and his cronies are 
more interested in building a stadium or bilking tax payers.
----- Original Message -----   Lisa and Bernie
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of Entry

> Oh, my.  Ain't that fun?  I figured I could start calling myself an
> experienced guide dog handler when I stopped being surprised by these
> things, or even noticing once I dealt with it.  The first few times, of
> course, I could not imagine what would inspire a theoretically civilized
> human to behave in such a manner!  Was I supposed to take this seriously?
> /lol/
>
> So I probably did about the same thing I do now, which is to stare blankly
> at the one who is behaving so bizarrely with the same blank stare you
> described from Gypsy.  Once whoever it is has gotten it all out of their
> system, then we can talk about our issues and laws and stuff.
>
> If need be, I pull out my 'tude, which is a lot like my blank stare only
> with a bit more dominant body language.  Subtle stuff, really, but it does
> seem to help clear things up on subject of just how intimidated I am. 
> Which
> is generally not at all.  I go straight to irritated, even angry, and I 
> let
> some of that play in my expression and the quality of my (I hope) eye
> contact.  Once they've settled down with the extravagant body language and
> curses and huff and puff, then we can talk.  /lol/
>
> So far I haven't had anybody bring in the cops, but the way you handled 
> that
> one sounds like what some of the more experienced handlers do.  Just wait 
> it
> out and let the other person call the cops on you, then go from there.  I
> guess it can be iffy doing that if the cops are not informed about the 
> law,
> so I'm not eager for an opportunity to try that tactic.  /smile/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of William Burley, III
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:30 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of Entry
>
> Good afternoon all!
>
>
>
> A question I would like to pose is where do you find that there is an
> attempt to deny access to a person with a service animal generally?
>
>
>
> As for me, I've worked with Gypsy for about a year and we've only had an
> issue three times.  One was the week we got home and my mobility 
> instructor
> took me out to eat as celebration for making it through training.  We went
> to a Vietnamese restaurant.  the hostess sat us down and all of a sudden 
> the
> manager rushed the table and began yelling, "No pets!  No pets!  You 
> cannot
> bring in your pet!"  Surprisingly I was very calm...considering this was 
> one
> of our first forays into the public after leaving the school.  I told him
> that she was a service animal and that she was allowed.  He kept yelling 
> and
> my mobility guy went the heck livid.  The manager then left us alone.
>
>
>
> I then, some months later, went to a convenience store near my apartment.
> I've been in there many times but this particular time, Gypsy and I walked
> in and the clerk began yelling and cussing.  Of course, I won't and can't
> repeat what he said here.  He went on and on like that.  I offered to call
> the police for him after repeated attempts to tell him she was a guide dog
> and to show her ID card and bring attention to the harness wrapped around
> her.  Gypsy just sat and stared at the man.  Needless to say, he called 
> the
> police himself while berating me until they got there.  I showed the 
> police
> the ID card and they saw Seeing Eye on the harness.  They proceeded to 
> write
> the man a ticket.  I then organized about five folks with guide dogs to 
> make
> a visit to the store.  He said nothing.
>
>
>
> most recently was this week.  A co-worker and I went to a Chinese 
> restaurant
> for lunch and the cashier ran to the door saying, "Get out!"
>
>
>
> We've honestly had very few experiences considering our time home and the
> amount we do go out.  It seems though that when we get those few folks who
> are simply uninformed....they're really uninformed!  LOL!
>
>
>
> Have you experienced this problem and what have you done about it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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