[nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals ordinance

Lyn Gwizdak linda.gwizdak at cox.net
Tue Mar 15 19:45:11 UTC 2011


Well, yeah, Tami, I do actually agree with you on this! LOL!  You did say it 
better than me.  I have to try to be nice to these folks because they are 
here and won't go away.  I have to keep in mind that they do have the 
constitutional right to express their beliefs - HOWEVER, when their words 
turns into ACTIONS that actually results in harm or death to people in my 
LGBT or disabled communities, then I'll let them have it - and it isn't very 
pretty.  Otherwise, I'll just respectfully agree to disagree with them. 
there are a couple of people in my life who are like this politically and 
one of them is willing to listen and learn and is a good friend.  the other 
one, well, I just call that person a hypocrite and a Pharasee - to go with 
their going overboard thinking.  The Pharasees dumped on Jesus in his time 
because of the people he was with.  Well, this person I know is a modern day 
model of these ancient intolerant people.  And what I want to really say 
isn't good on a family oriented public list - LOL!

But, if these intolerant people try to harm me - well, I'll fight them with 
everything I have.  And I am fighting them in my politcal work.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals ordinance


> Well, those policies you mentioned -- and the group-think that supports 
> them
> -- are pretty harmful, to many many people.  So people who chose to be
> activist in the work of depriving others of their rights, income, freedoms
> and general civil liberties and rights are beyond me to come up with a 
> nice
> name for.  When I find myself talking to individuals who carry on at me 
> with
> that way of thinking, I'm as polite as I can be, but I try to disengage as
> quickly as possible.  Or I try to reason...  Then wonder why I'm such a
> sucker for punishment.
>
> As for people who are willfully stupid, or who go out of their way to
> intrude upon and interfere with others, or to intimidate and/or control
> others...  That's a chosen behavior, and I tend to want to apply certain
> negative labels to the people who chose to engage in it.  /smile/
> Meanwhile, I can practice my 'tude on them to see if it remains effective 
> at
> making them go away!
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Lyn Gwizdak
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 12:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals 
> ordinance
>
> Lisa,
> I do understand that INDIVIDUALS in groups like Tea Party or the 
> Republican
> party can be honest, decent folks who can be tolerant of groups of people
> they don't understand - like Muslims, or LGBT people.  When I said "like 
> the
>
> Tea Party", I talk about the group-think, not individual people - the
> group's politcal platforms.
>
> This is hard for me to do sometimes because, as an LGBT person, these
> groups' policies actually cause violence and death to LGBT people and that
> hits real close to home with me.  I do try to treat each person as they 
> are
> and most are good folks.
>
> Back in 2008, I was sitting in The Concourse at SD City Hall having lunch
> before attending a City Council meeting when a group of pro Prop 8 folks
> came along.  I didn't interact with them. One of the women with their 
> group
> came over to me as she noticed Landon.  We both had our respective Prop 8
> buttons on but she shared with me about her blind mother who went to the
> Center for the Blind.  We talked about that - not our feelings on same sex
> marriage.  We made a personal connection and talked about her mother,
> blindness, and she and I parted amiacally.  She did enjoy Landon and he 
> was
> his goofy self. LOL!
>
> I do realize that it isn't good to paint everyone with the same brush of
> people who behave badly.  WE all know what it is like to get it because
> someone's guide dog behaved badly, or the person was just a jerk.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals 
> ordinance
>
>
>> Lyn, my trusted friend, we've had conversations about classifying an
>> entire sect of individuals in a negative light. Let's not look to blame.
>> Instead, let's look to refrain, or to make constructive changes.  Thanks.
>>
>> Lisa and Bernie the
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>> ordinance
>>
>>
>>>I agree, Marion.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't this supposedly proposed law also be in violation of ADA?  As 
>>> to
>
>>> people stirring up anti Islamic fear and hate - sounds like a Tea Party
>>> tactic to me.  Hate groups will use anything to stir the pot! Even
>>> disabled folks and our dogs!!!  Let's hope you're right.  I have a 
>>> friend
>
>>> in Minneapolis and she would be quite mad if there was really a law like
>>> this one.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:20 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>> ordinance
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lisa,
>>>>    I am still trying to confirm the introduction of the measure that 
>>>> was
>
>>>> mentioned on this list a week or so ago with the NFB of Minnesota. I am
>>>> beginning to believe it was an urban legend designed to create anti
>>>> Islamic outrage. It troubles my soul to think that there are those with
>>>> such hatred in their hearts as to perpetrate such a thing! And they 
>>>> most
>
>>>> likely think they are doing God's will! So sad!
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>> ordinance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Marion, I'm uninformed about the anti constitutional conduct taking
>>>>> place in MN. This brings me to overall California Disability Law vrs
>>>>> the ADA. In Cali., and perhaps other states, which ever disability law
>>>>> is the strongest over rides the other law.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know stanza and verse of either law. What I am aware of from a
>>>>> hand full of personal encounters, via the  Southern California U. S.
>>>>> District Federal Courts, is that Cali. Disability Law is more detailed
>>>>> and has greater protections about businesses providing equal access to
>>>>> their "goods and services"
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the likelihood MN has, very negatively, designed legislation
>>>>> that supersedes federal ADA legislation. I am stunned and  not totally
>>>>> surprised that religion and allergies has been tossed into the
>>>>> complicated mix of things. I hope the NFB gets behind this regressive
>>>>> legislation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:38 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>>> ordinance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>    Such a thing is less of a concern to me than what is rumored to be
>>>>>> happening in Minnesota. The Principle of Supremacy allows lower
>>>>>> jurisdictions to make laws that are less restrictive but Minnesota, 
>>>>>> if
>
>>>>>> the rumor is true and I am working to find out if it is, is trying to
>>>>>> make a law that is more restrictive by allowing public accommodations
>>>>>> to use religion, fear, and allergies as reasons to deny access. This
>>>>>> is a clear violation of the ADA and, thus, a violation of the U.S.
>>>>>> Constitution. Article V, Clause 2 states
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
>>>>>> made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
>>>>>> made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
>>>>>> Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound 
>>>>>> thereby,
>
>>>>>> any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
>>>>>> notwithstanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:04 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>>>> ordinance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just don't know what to say.  It's sad and sort of funny in a way
>>>>>>>that you'd only understand if your familiar with small town local
>>>>>>>politics. They don't seem to understand disability law or really much
>>>>>>>about disabilities at all.  Once again it's only the green that
>>>>>>>matters in the end.  Sad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:43 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] FW: Article: Council approves service animals
>>>>>>> ordinance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hesperia Star (Hesperia, CA)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> March 3, 2011
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Council approves service animals ordinance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Councilman Blewett vows to repeal if ordinance leads to lawsuits
>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>> local businesses
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beau Yarbrough <mailto:beau at hesperiastar.com> , Staff Writer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The American with Disabilities Act will become more restrictive in
>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>> definition of service animals this month, but the changes won't
>>>>>>>> apply in
>>>>>>>> Hesperia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At their meeting Tuesday night, the Hesperia City Council voted to
>>>>>>>> allow any
>>>>>>>> sort of service animal to be used by the disabled in Hesperia 
>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>> buildings and businesses, so long as they're accompanied by a
>>>>>>>> doctor's note
>>>>>>>> certifying their status as service animals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On March 15, new federal guidelines will tighten the definition of
>>>>>>>> service
>>>>>>>> animals in the ADA to just dogs. The act was signed into law by
>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>> George H. W. Bush in July 1990 and never previously defined what
>>>>>>>> constituted
>>>>>>>> a service animal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The city ordinance was drafted in response to a request from local
>>>>>>>> resident
>>>>>>>> Danni Moore, who uses two rats riding on her shoulders to help
>>>>>>>> control her
>>>>>>>> seizures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "All I ask is that the city council allows me to continue to come 
>>>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>>>> pay my
>>>>>>>> bills [at city hall] and volunteer at the library," Moore told the
>>>>>>>> council
>>>>>>>> on Tuesday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Disabled residents "have a right to be a person, to go to a store,
>>>>>>>> to go to
>>>>>>>> a restaurant," argued resident Kim Jones. "There are some things
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> [service] dogs can just not do."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But not everyone agreed with Jones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The needs of the many have to outweigh the needs of the few," said
>>>>>>>> Councilman Bill Holland. "It unnecessarily places Hesperia's
>>>>>>>> businesses,
>>>>>>>> which quite frankly pay our way, in harm's way."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "If I end up in a lawsuit over this, I'll move my business out of
>>>>>>>> the city,
>>>>>>>> I'll be real honest with you," said Century 21 owner Don Jensen, 
>>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>>> brother
>>>>>>>> of planning commissioner Bill Jensen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ADA "hasn't affected Hesperia's businesses for the past 20, 50
>>>>>>>> years,"
>>>>>>>> said Councilman Thurston "Smitty" Smith, "And this doesn't change
>>>>>>>> anything."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I've never seen a service animal other than a dog in a restaurant
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> than one time in Mexico," said Mayor Pro Tem Russ Blewett. "We have
>>>>>>>> 18
>>>>>>>> percent of the people in this community unemployed, and we're
>>>>>>>> talking about
>>>>>>>> service animals."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ordinance passes 4-d, with Holland dissenting. Although he 
>>>>>>>> voted
>
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> favor of the measure, Blewett said he'd vote to repeal it if any
>>>>>>>> business is
>>>>>>>> sued under the city ordinance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The next regular meeting of the Hesperia City Council will take
>>>>>>>> place on
>>>>>>>> March 15 at 6:30 p.m. at Hesperia City Hall, 9700 Seventh Avenue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Source:
>>>>>>>> http://www.hesperiastar.com/news/service-3999-animals-council.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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