[nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?

Sun May 1 05:35:54 UTC 2011

Be different never be like anyone else even if people don't like it who 
cares Train your own dogs that's pritty amazing

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sheila Leigland
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:35 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?

Thanks I appreciate your input because I'm learning about what you guys face 
bust because you want to do things differently.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherri <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:28 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?

I am pretty sure he was referring to people who pass themselves and their
pets off as "owner/handlers" of "trained service dogs".
I am sure he is not talking about blind people who have privately trained
their guide dogs.

You haven't visited my personal page at
http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun
Thank you for changing what it means to be blind.
Sherri Brun
flmom2006 at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?

> Sheila,
>
> Makes sense, and you do have it right.  Owner-trainers, as we prefer to be
> called, are absolutely thrilled about this attitude and how many times we
> have it expressed to us by people who strongly feel we need to better
> informed about what a problem we are for everyone else.  Such public
> services as they are performing must be conducted in the most offensive
> way
> possible, it seems and the service provider must by all means insure we
> understand that they know what they're talking about while we are
> obviously
> much to stupid to have considered any of it ourselves.  /smile/
>
> Then, of course, there are those folks who ask questions and share
> experiences and tell what they know about the service dog industry in an
> interesting conversational fashion, so they more than make up for the
> public
> servants.  /smile/
>
> Over the course of that past few years, I have learned more than I really
> want to know about the many layers of fraud and abuse out there.  The more
> I
> think about it and the more I turn things around in my head, the more I
> become convinced that more laws are not the solution.  More law
> enforcement
> and stricter penalties and swifter justice would go much much further than
> putting more words on paper for people to ignore and exploit.  Not that I
> have an opinion or anything.  /grin/
>
>
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sheila Leigland
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:44 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>
> Julie I read that and wondered about that myself. I've never self trained
> a
> dog before and don't know much about what is involved but wonder about the
> atitudes of schools about this. Am I right that there are no requirements
> for certification so I suppose they question the right to self train is
> that
> right? If I'm not making sense let me know and I'll try to clarify this.
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie J <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 7:06 AM
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>
> Are the folks who are claiming that they have a disability and then
> passing
> their pet off as a service dog putting themselves in danger?
>
> I took the statement to mean that any dog not trained by a professional
> trainer and certified (whatever that means) are dangerous either because
> they are aggressive or not responsive to the needs of the disabled
> handler.
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>
>
>>I believe it was referring to the actual handlers, but if we read it
>> closely, it is a comment that can be left up to interpretation.  I for
>> instance, read it as if we as *legal and authentic* service dog handlers
>> abide by what the ADA states, this could be severely jeopardized by those
>> who falsely and maliciously pass their pet as a *self-proclaimed service
>> dog*.
>> Please remember, this is just my interpretation.
>>
>> I know Ron, and I can bet you a dollar to a donut that he was not
>> referring
>> to the ability of a blind handler.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of B Avila Guerrero
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:56 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>>
>> Julie, was he talking about the people who are passing their dogs off as
>> Service Dogs?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Julie J
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:23 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>>
>> *"We're really getting to an area that's not only dangerous for
>> the general public, but it's dangerous for the people making use
>> of those dogs," he said.*
>>
>> Ummm, so blind/disabled people are too stupid to figure out when the dog
>> they are working with isn't safe?
>>
>> Interesting
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <gingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:37 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>>
>>
>>> What's Putting These Dogs In Danger?
>>> Wednesday, April 27, 2011
>>>
>>>
>>> DETROIT -- Service dogs spend their lives helping humans, but now
>>> more and more humans are pulling a scam online that is putting
>>> these dogs in danger.
>>>
>>> Decades have been spent fighting for service dogs to be allowed
>>> in restaurants, businesses and airplanes. Now, some say that hard
>>> work is in jeopardy.
>>>
>>> Watch video: What's Putting These Dogs In Danger
>>> http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/27697008/index.html
>>>
>>> Rod Haneline is the chief program and service officer at Leader
>>> Dogs for the Blind in Rochester Hills. He said there's a new scam
>>> popping up where people are are buying service dog ID badges and
>>> harnesses for their own household pets, instead of for a trained
>>> and certified dog.
>>>
>>> "We're really getting to an area that's not only dangerous for
>>> the general public, but it's dangerous for the people making use
>>> of those dogs," he said.
>>>
>>> Leader Dogs for the Blind has been in business since 1939, and
>>> has been providing trained dogs, free of charge, to those who
>>> utilize them.
>>>
>>> The dogs must complete a 16- to 18- week course. Haneline said
>>> about 40 percent of dogs pass the necessary requirements to
>>> become service dogs.
>>>
>>> He said the dogs handlers are trained just as rigorous.
>>>
>>> "That instructor serves a three-year apprenticeship. And, once
>>> again, they have to meet all IGDF standards throughout that
>>> apprenticeship," Haneline said.
>>>
>>> Richard Michael is a class coordinator for the company.
>>>
>>> "If we allow every dog access, or every animal access, then you
>>> will never see a service dog in an aircraft or restaurant," he
>>> said.
>>>
>>> With hundreds of hours spent on each dog's training, Michael said
>>> it's just not right for someone to be able to pay money and
>>> receive a badge saying their pet is certified.
>>>
>>> "The pet is there and we can all enjoy companionship, the service
>>> dog has a specific role to play," he said.
>>>
>>> He warned that the dogs with the fake badges could be dangerous
>>> and act out in a public setting. He said all it takes is once
>>> incident involving an unruly animal to tarnish the work of real
>>> service dogs.
>>>
>>> Under the law, a business does have the right to ensure that the
>>> dog being brought into the establishment is clean and under
>>> control. They cannot ask what the disability is but can ask what
>>> assistance the dog is providing.
>>>
>>>
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