[nagdu] hotels

Lisa Irving lirving1234 at cox.net
Sun May 1 06:45:45 UTC 2011 

this stupid drama isn't media worthy. It's just stupid ignorent stuff that 
most people look the other way.

Lisa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>I hope you can get it worked ut. I also had the medea involved. Wishing you 
>the best.
> Dar
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 30, 2011, at 12:16 AM, "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> D M Gina, I live in senior and disabled housing. Talk about drama queens! 
>> Yeah, I've gotten nonsense from management and a couple of neighbors. I 
>> brought Fair Housing into the mix a few months ago. One thing I've 
>> requested in the mediation is to mandate the management folks to attend 
>> Fair Housing training. This is one area I'm not backing down on. They 
>> made my life Hell because they're uninformed and haven't been interested 
>> in "enlightenment" from me or a local agency for the blind. I get you to 
>> the extent I understand where you're coming from. Again, Go Girl!
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>
>>> In the situations I explained the folks live in low income, and felt 
>>> they had nothing else to do.
>>> So picking on the blind was the thing.
>>> Until they learned that the blind will not put up with grief.
>>> When I left, I had folks saying to me, they wished that I would come 
>>> back, because they didn't feel they could do what I did.
>>> I never went back and hope I don't have to.
>>> I understand why one might get depressed living in low income, but this 
>>> doesn't mean you have to bother others at their expense.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hmm, you take things to a level I hadn't considered. Go girl! If my 
>>>> life
>>>> isn't in danger or there's no serious threat to my dog's safety or to 
>>>> mine,
>>>> I'll stick to the sharp nudging of the invader's hand.  I guess, do 
>>>> what
>>>> works.
>>>
>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Oh I don't ever worry about my actions, I just do them, and that again 
>>>>> was
>>>>> years ago.
>>>>> Trust me I would do it again if I had to.
>>>>> You truly have to get me to go that far.
>>>>> I had a stalker in Denver who I slapped with the leash when he wanted 
>>>>> to
>>>>> get my fanny pack.
>>>>> He also left me alone.
>>>>> I still have the paper work that says smile,
>>>>> You need to be one ball park away from this lady.
>>>>> So it didn't matter to me if he called the police.
>>>>> I got this paper work from the court system and I will always keep it 
>>>>> just
>>>>> encase I get to Denver and need to use it.
>>>>> Oh yes this lady me of course, had a guy in a wheel chair who wanted 
>>>>> to
>>>>> chase the dog.
>>>>> So I solved that problem lifting the guy out of his chair and sitting 
>>>>> him
>>>>> on the walk, leaving him there, to figure out how he was going to get 
>>>>> up.
>>>>> Trust me he didn't bother us any more.
>>>>> Even our manager was shocked I would do this, and when he saw what the 
>>>>> guy
>>>>> was doing, he said, that was polite for me to show him, that we are 
>>>>> all
>>>>> disabled, and need to respect what we do to get around,
>>>>> For the blind it is using a dog or cane, and we respect the folks who 
>>>>> are
>>>>> in wheel chairs.
>>>>> /The office watched me to make sure that I didn't cause trouble for 
>>>>> the
>>>>> folks in wheel chairs, and they soon learned we just lived with them 
>>>>> and
>>>>> wanted to go on our own way.
>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Careful with the leash. Sincerely, it can be construed as assault.  a
>>>>>> Sharp
>>>>>> nudging of the invader's hand will produce similar results too.
>>>
>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:23 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Those are the ones you pray for, before you spank them giggle.
>>>>>>> Just teasing on the spanking.
>>>>>>> But I have smacked persons with the leash before when they had no
>>>>>>> respect
>>>>>>> for me.
>>>>>>> Trust me, they never wanted to touch the dog again.
>>>>>>> That leash stings.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Maybe, but sometimes I wonder at the density of some people.  One 
>>>>>>>> lady,
>>>>>>>> whom
>>>>>>>> I have never met and still have no idea who she is, came up to me
>>>>>>>> immediately after a two hour session on respecting difference.  She
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> say hello or anything, just wants to know my dog's name in a pretty
>>>>>>>> demanding tone.  then she proceeds to pet before actually asking. 
>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> told her that she couldn't pet him, she walked off in a huff.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:58 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then they don't know you at all for there actions, I wonder if 
>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> them again would help,
>>>>>>>>> Dar
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are not co-workers as in we are both employed by the same
>>>>>>>>>> entity.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> am involved in some of the same projects as some of them.  In 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> sense,
>>>>>>>>>> I do work with them.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are these the folks you work with. I hope not. Dar
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:35 AM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I got back yesterday and have been catching up with all 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> messages.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will say with absolute certainty that letting the hotel know 
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> advance of my arrival that I'm blind and have a dog is
>>>>>>>>>>>> unacceptable.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> will be addressing the issue.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole two days was pretty much  a test of my patience in
>>>>>>>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>>>>>>> with overhelpful people.  Interestingly I had absolutely no 
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>> with hotel staff, restaurant employees or in any of the shops I
>>>>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>>>>> into in the evening.  All my frustration was with the people
>>>>>>>>>>>> attending
>>>>>>>>>>>> the conference.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Monty was absolutely amazing!  We hadn't stayed in a hotel for
>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> few months.  Last time he was a bit anxious about all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> strange
>>>>>>>>>>>> noises and unfamiliar doings.  He wouldn't play with his toys 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>>>>>>> forever to relieve.  this time he was very content with 
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>> settled easily under the table during the long meetings.  He
>>>>>>>>>>>> relieved
>>>>>>>>>>>> superfast, which I appreciate immensely.  He played with toys 
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> hotel room. His guiding was spot on!
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for you thoughts on my situation.  It has 
>>>>>>>>>>>> helped
>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>> quite a bit in figuring out what exactly I want to say when I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the lady that made my reservations.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:12 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course. However, the university cannot rely on this method,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have liability.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:57 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parker,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Resident Assistants are hired to assist everyone, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doormies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with disabilities. Roomies can help one another as well as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neighbors. This is called a natural support. It replaces the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out or to exclude some one, particularly some one with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disability.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:03 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you see where it gets tricky in a university situation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those kids start before age 18.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:53 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "better customer service" is never a "perk" when it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disability to accept an accommodation, aid, service, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which such individual chooses not to accept." (42 USC 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12201(d))
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, requiring a person to accept an accommodation 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perceives a "need" for such an accommodation when the person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is considered discriminatory under the ADA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's something you may not have thought of. What if there 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the building or some other emergency? They may have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire and police departments to check specific rooms first. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no problem. But imagine someone else that needs assistance 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refused the 'accessible' room. You may not like it, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons the hotel may want to make the employees aware of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Better customer service is a perk, even though it is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unequal.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where I work (a university), we have a box of information 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emergency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers at each dorm, that tells the names of students and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rooms for anyone that might require assistance. It may 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> invasion of privacy, but we are required to do this by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety office.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I am not offending anyone by mentioning the other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Julie J
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just had to write a quick vent before I head out for that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I work for the county, but this training is being paid for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a regional prevention agency.  They are paying or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reimbursing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expenses, which is how I am able to go.  Throughout the year 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other events sponsored by this agency.  They all know me and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monty.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the rough spot.  They set up the hotel as a direct 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agency, which means that I didn't make my own reservation. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is going.  They told the hotel that I'm blind, have a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I'm very independent and they don't need to worry about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AARGH!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just AARGH!
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I've been told that the hotel has no problem with the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real worried about that.  I have also been put on the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> floor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't care one way or another about.  But I am oh so 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relieved to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hotel is okay with me coming! *sarcastic smile*
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing to be done about it really.  I did try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lady who made the reservation for me that all of that extra 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and that I'm pretty well  accustomed to speaking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my rights.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the next few days are not one long saga like this.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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