[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 15

Holly Mcknight hollyandpolly at hotmail.com
Sun May 15 23:16:20 UTC 2011


I really like the changes to this info. I find it helpful when dealing with the public, 
if I answer specific questions when I can. I am a part of the newly firmed Lone Star Puppy Club, who are raising puppies for GDB. The school has a great web site, as does our puppy club. We all also carry business cards that are very helpful. You can all check out www.guidedogtx.blogspot.com, hope this helps.
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>   1. Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
>   2. Re: Your critique Invited! (Steven Johnson)
>   3. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
>   4. Re: Your critique Invited! (Jeffrey Young)
>   5. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
>   6. Re: Your critique Invited! (Steven Johnson)
>   7. Way to go, Julie! (Elizabeth Rene)
>   8. Re: Your critique Invited! (Aaron Cannon)
>   9. Re: Your critique Invited! (Julie J)
>  10. Re: FW: National Federation of the Blind Announces 2011
>      Scholarship Program Winners, and one of them is on our list!!
>      (Julie J)
>  11. Re: Putting eye ointment (Julie J)
>  12. Re: Your critique Invited! (Aaron Cannon)
>  13. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would    Not
>      Serve Her (d m gina)
>  14. Re: Putting eye ointment (Margo and Arrow)
>  15. Re: Your critique Invited! (Sheila Leigland)
>  16. my suggestions for the brochure (Michael Hingson)
>  17. Re: Your critique Invited! (Marion Gwizdala)
>  18. Re: Your critique Invited! (Ann Edie)
>  19. access issue resolved! (Julie J)
>  20. Re: Your critique Invited! (Julie J)
>  21. Re: access issue resolved! (The Pawpower Pack)
>  22. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery    Would    Not
>      Serve Her (Sheila Leigland)
>  23. Re: Way to go, Julie! (Sheila Leigland)
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:14:28 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,    "Michael Hingson"
>    <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>,    "Sherrill O'Brien"
>    <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>,    "Toni Whaley"
>    <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>, "Margo Downey"
>    <margo.downey at verizon.net>,    "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>,
>    "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>,    "Correspondence Committee
>    Mailing List" <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <43048881EE744ECD97E855087B57B9F5 at marion27df4b2a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Dear All,
>    As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback before then!
> 
> Peace!
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:24:52 -0500
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <001101cc126c$9978cae0$cc6a60a0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
> *essential information* that the general public needs to know.  Any more
> details would be overkill.
> 
> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> 
> Dear All,
>    As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing
> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input
> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know
> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything
> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like
> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
> before then!
> 
> Peace!
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:29:27 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <3CE479352A1A4549A80D5FFD6F3CEB90 at marion27df4b2a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>    reply-type=original
> 
> steve,
>    Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
> 
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> 
> 
>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know.  Any more
>> details would be overkill.
>> 
>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> 
>> Dear All,
>>   As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> editing
>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the 
>> input
>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I 
>> know
>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is 
>> anything
>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also 
>> like
>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
>> before then!
>> 
>> Peace!
>> Marion Gwizdala
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:33:35 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Young <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <EC3BBA1D-CF9B-4A1B-90CA-2413D75BA4D7 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I like it. All though some uneducated people might think a leash correction is more than a firm tug, :)
> 
> Good work.
> 
> Jeff and Hansel
> On May 14, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
> 
>> steve,
>>  Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>> 
>> Marion
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> 
>> 
>>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
>>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know.  Any more
>>> details would be overkill.
>>> 
>>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>>  As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing
>>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input
>>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know
>>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything
>>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like
>>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
>>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
>>> before then!
>>> 
>>> Peace!
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:51:25 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <A1513396D6924F2B9FA5C387A1D7FD52 at marion27df4b2a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Jeff,
>    Thank you for taking a look at it! As per my question to Steve, do you 
> have any suggestions for a new title?
> 
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeffrey Young" <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> 
> 
>> I like it. All though some uneducated people might think a leash correction 
>> is more than a firm tug, :)
>> 
>> Good work.
>> 
>> Jeff and Hansel
>> On May 14, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
>> 
>>> steve,
>>>  Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>>> 
>>> Marion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson" 
>>> <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
>>>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know.  Any more
>>>> details would be overkill.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>>>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>>>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing 
>>>> List
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>>> 
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>  As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>>>> editing
>>>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the 
>>>> input
>>>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I 
>>>> know
>>>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is 
>>>> anything
>>>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also 
>>>> like
>>>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. 
>>>> My
>>>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your 
>>>> feedback
>>>> before then!
>>>> 
>>>> Peace!
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:51:52 -0500
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <001f01cc1270$5f302690$1d9073b0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Let me think on that for a bit.  I am thinking that the word public should
> be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
> Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> 
> steve,
>    Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
> 
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> 
> 
>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know.  Any more
>> details would be overkill.
>> 
>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> 
>> Dear All,
>>   As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> editing
>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the 
>> input
>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I 
>> know
>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is 
>> anything
>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also 
>> like
>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
>> before then!
>> 
>> Peace!
>> Marion Gwizdala
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:43:16 -0700
> From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> Message-ID: <DA98F589F35741CA94D3C791EDFCF211 at elizabethrene>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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> 
> Congratulations on winning an NFB  scholarship.
> 
> You do us and our dogs proud.
> 
> Elizabeth 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 16:45:24 -0500
> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=Skcz18H2CxLN3vryQfnDXZQB6EQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Here are my edits.  You can pick and choose as you like.  I would,
> however, be interested in seeing an updated version, if you do in fact
> incorporate any of these changes into the document.
> 
> 
> Original:
> When you see a guide dog at work you are watching a team with each
> partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
> blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
> direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
> person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
> ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
> hand commands. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
> these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
> 
> My Version:
> When you see a guide dog at work, you are watching a team, with each
> partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
> blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
> direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
> person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
> ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
> hand jestures. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
> these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
> For example, if a handler were to ask his guide dog to go forward when
> there was a sudden drop-off directly ahead, the guide dog would refuse
> to obey.
> 
> 
> original:
> 1. It is a violation of state & federal laws to deny access to a
> disabled person accompanied by a service animal. This includes stores,
> restaurants, taxicabs,
> parks, health care facilities, zoos, or any other place the general
> public is admitted. The law prohibits public carriers such as buses,
> trains, or planes
> from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a service
> animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a service animal
> has the same
> rights as other passengers to choose where they sit on such carriers
> where no other legally established seating requirements exists.
> 
> my version:
> 1. It is a violation of both state & federal law to segrigate or deny
> access to a disabled person accompanied by a service animal. These
> laws apply to stores, restaurants, taxicabs, parks, health care
> facilities, zoos, and any other place the general public is admitted.
> The law also prohibits public carriers such as buses, trains, or
> planes from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a
> service animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a
> service animal has the same rights as other passengers to choose where
> they sit on such carriers where no other legally established seating
> requirements exist.
> 
> Original:
> 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
> working. It is important that others do not interfere with the dog?s
> work; therefore,
> Never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call a guide dog by name
> or speak to it, and do not intentionally make noises to distract the
> dog.
> 
> My version:
> 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
> working. It is important that no one interfere with the dog?s work;
> therefore, you should never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call
> or speak to a guide dog, and never intentionally do anything for the
> purpose of distracting or getting the dogs attention.
> 
> Original:
> 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
> dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
> restaurants and grocery
> stores.
> 
> My version:
> 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
> dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
> restaurants and grocery stores. ?In addition, many dogs can be quite
> sensative to certain types of foods, so there is a very real
> possibility that you may make the dog ill and unable to work.
> 
> Original:
> 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
> not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
> sometimes use a ?Follow?
> command but the blind person will give it. Also, let the blind person
> know about turns to be made so the blind person can give the proper
> direction to
> the dog.
> 
> 
> My version:
> 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
> not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
> sometimes use a ?Follow? command, but the blind person is the one who
> will give this command. Whether the blind person follows you or you
> simply tell the blind person where to go, it is important to give
> specific directions such as "left" and "right", rather than "over
> there" or "thataway".
> 
> 
> My version:
> ??????7. Consistent discipline is key to a successful guide dog team.
> Ordinarily, verbal admonitions are used to maintain control. If this
> fails it may become necessary for the blind person to use a firm tug
> on the leash. This does not hurt the dog; it simply brings the dog's
> attention back to its job.
> 
> Original:
> You see more blind people on the streets today, not because there are
> more of us, but because we have learned to make our own way in the
> world. A major
> factor in this progress is the National Federation of the Blind, the
> oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
> speaking for ourselves
> and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted neighbors.
> 
> My version:
> You may have noticed more blind people on the streets today, not
> because there are more of us, but because we have learned to make our
> own way in the world. A major
> factor in this progress has been the National Federation of the Blind,
> the oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
> speaking for ourselves
> and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted neighbors.
> 
> Original:
> If you found this information interesting, perhaps you know others who
> would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
> 
> 
> My version:
> If you found this information interesting or helpful, perhaps you know
> others who would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Looking forward to printing and passing out some of these.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Aaron
> 
> On 5/14/11, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
>> Let me think on that for a bit.  I am thinking that the word public should
>> be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
>> Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> 
>> steve,
>>    Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>> 
>> Marion
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> 
>> 
>>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
>>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know.  Any more
>>> details would be overkill.
>>> 
>>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>>   As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>>> editing
>>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
>>> input
>>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
>>> know
>>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
>>> anything
>>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
>>> like
>>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
>>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
>>> before then!
>>> 
>>> Peace!
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> t
>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:27:38 -0500
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <00a701cc128e$83ae5c80$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of access 
> be added?
> 
> Julie
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson" 
> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; 
> "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" 
> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina 
> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List" 
> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> 
> 
> Dear All,
>    As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing 
> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input 
> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know 
> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything 
> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like 
> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My 
> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback 
> before then!
> 
> Peace!
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:48:46 -0500
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: National Federation of the Blind Announces
>    2011    Scholarship Program Winners, and one of them is on our list!!
> Message-ID: <00c301cc1291$7721e650$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Yea to Julie!    Have fun at convention and best of luck at winning one of 
> the big scholarships!
> 
> the other Julie
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
> To: "Nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:26 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] FW: National Federation of the Blind Announces 2011 
> Scholarship Program Winners, and one of them is on our list!!
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I just received the following announcement of the 2011 national scholarship
> winners, and was delighted to see our Julie McGinnity as one of them. Great
> accomplishment, Julie, and many congratulations to you!
> 
> Sherrill
> !-----Original Message-----
> From: nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Freeh, Jessica
> (by way of David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:46 PM
> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] National Federation of the Blind Announces
> 2011 Scholarship Program Winners
> 
> 
> 
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> 
> 
> 
> CONTACT:
> 
> Chris Danielsen
> 
> Director of Public Relations
> 
> National Federation of the Blind
> 
> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
> 
> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
> 
> cdanielsen at nfb.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> National Federation of the Blind Announces
> 2011 Scholarship Program Winners
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Baltimore, Maryland (May 13, 2011): The National Federation of the Blind
> (NFB), the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind people, today
> announced the winners of its 2011 Scholarship Program, which awards thirty
> scholarships each year to recognize achievement by blind scholars.  The
> winners are listed below in alphabetical order with their home states and
> vocational goals:
> 
> 
> 
> ?       Yasen Angelov, FL: certified public accountant (CPA)
> 
> ?       Jessica Beecham, TN: therapeutic recreation specialist for persons
> with disabilities
> 
> ?       Mary Billington, NY:   educational policy and management specialist
> 
> ?       David Bouchard, MS: teacher of orientation and mobility
> 
> ?       Christine Daniels, CO:  scientist/professor of cellular and
> molecular biophysics
> 
> ?       Roberto Diaz, CT:  teacher of American history to at-risk youth
> 
> ?       Aleeha Dudley, OH:  equine veterinarian
> 
> ?       Heather Edwards, SC: disability services coordinator
> 
> ?       Christopher Fountain, VA: family and marriage counselor
> 
> ?       Brenton R. Fuchs, CT: business administration and marketing
> 
> ?       Diane Graves, IN: social services administrator
> 
> ?       Michelle Hackman, NY: scientist specializing in behavioral science
> 
> ?       Shafeka Hashash, NJ: lawyer or international relations specialist at
> the UN
> 
> ?       Carry Joanis, NY: MBA-credentialed financial analyst or product
> manager
> 
> ?       Kathleen Katulak, NY: teacher of the blind and educational
> researcher
> 
> ?       Catherine Lei, CA: patent attorney and expert in the physical
> sciences
> 
> ?       Ma'ayan Malter, IL: professor of economics
> 
> ?       Daniel Martinez, TX: teacher of blind students
> 
> ?       Ryan T. McBee, OR: elected politician or political consultant
> 
> ?       Julie McGinnity, MO: vocal coach, professional singer, and German
> translator
> 
> ?       Terence Meehan, CA: medical doctor involved in clinical research and
> teaching
> 
> ?       Sylvia Modesitt, MO: scientist/professor of astrophysics or
> molecular biology
> 
> ?       Justin Salisbury, CT: professor of quantitative economics
> 
> ?       Kyle Shachmut, MA: administrator/professor of educational media and
> technology
> 
> ?       Amber K. Sherrard, LA: nutritionist
> 
> ?       Sandra Sommers, OH: physical therapist
> 
> ?       Mikaela Stevens, ID: motivational public speaker
> 
> ?       Kristina Vu, TX: lawyer
> 
> ?       Henry Wedler, CA: professor of chemistry
> 
> ?       Matthew C. Yeater, IN: minister and evangelist
> 
> 
> 
> "These students represent academic excellence, and many of them are
> doubtless future leaders of this nation's blind," said Dr. Marc Maurer,
> President of the National Federation of the Blind.  "They are forging a path
> in disciplines as varied as economics, molecular biology, physical therapy,
> law, and nutrition.  They are proof of our conviction that we, the blind of
> this nation, can compete on terms of equality with our sighted peers, and we
> are very proud of their accomplishments."
> 
> 
> 
> In July each winner will attend the NFB's seventy-first annual national
> convention in Orlando, Florida, where the Scholarship Committee will spend
> several days getting to know each student and then decide which scholarship
> (ranging in value from $3,000 to $12,000) to award each of them.  The
> scholarship winners will then be announced at the banquet of the NFB
> convention on Friday, July 8.
> 
> 
> 
> For more information on the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship
> Program, visit www.nfb.org/scholarships .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ###
> 
> 
> 
> 
> About the National Federation of the Blind
> 
> With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the
> largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the
> United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy,
> education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and
> self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the blindness field today and
> the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the
> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and
> training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:52:07 -0500
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
> Message-ID: <00c701cc1291$ef163670$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Sorry Tracy, I have no good ideas for you.
> 
> The first thing that came to me was to put the ointment on a finger and then 
> to put it on the inside of the eyelid, but this probably isn't a good idea. 
> Let us know if you find something that works well for you.
> 
> Julie
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:46 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
> 
> 
>> I need to put some ointment in Echo's eye twice a day for a couple weeks.
>> I did good yesterday, but not so good today.  I have my husband hold her
>> head still, then use one hand to pull down on the skin under her eye,
>> hopefully opening it up, then use the other hand to position and squeeze
>> the tube, trying not to poke her with it.  I haven't poked her, but today
>> I'm not sure I hit the target, either.  Oh for that third hand I've always
>> wanted!
>> If anyone has a good method that's better than mine, please share.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:50:52 -0500
> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <BANLkTimxdZPh3P-1jfRxXcJpegY_L1SRWg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> That's a good idea.  I also wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to
> add some careful language explaining what the business owner can do.
> At the moment, there's no mention of the business owners rights.  I
> realize that that's not the purpose of the flier, but on the other
> hand, a document which is too one-sided isn't likely to be well
> received by some.
> 
> Here's my attempt at such language:
> If you are not sure whether or not a dog is a guide or service dog,
> you may ask the handler.  In order to be considered a service dog
> under federal law, a dog must be trained to perform a specific task
> for a person with a disability, and you may also ask the handler what
> specific task the dog is trained to perform.  However, a handler is
> not required to tell you about their disability, nor are they required
> to have any sort of certification of their dog's training.
> 
> Aaron
> 
> On 5/14/11, Julie J <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of access
>> be added?
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson"
>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>;
>> "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey"
>> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina
>> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List"
>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> 
>> 
>> Dear All,
>>    As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing
>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input
>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know
>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything
>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like
>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
>> before then!
>> 
>> Peace!
>> Marion Gwizdala
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:59:21 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
>    Would    Not Serve Her
> Message-ID: <20110515005921.16194.42227 at ip-10-203-66-216.ec2.internal>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
> 
> Have they come to the point saying you no longer can work for them?
> Stand your ground, and make sure you do obedience daily.
> Even more than once so your dogs know who the boss is.
> They will grow up.
> The dogs that is, people well ahem.
> 
> Original message:
>> Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs 
>> aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to 
>> try to direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide 
>> dogs the training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need 
>> to comply with there judgment calls. I work very part time and they 
>> seem to think that dictating how I get to work is there concern. I 
>> don't agree since i'm pretty sure I'm not covered by there insurance. 
>> Any suggestions would be helpful.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery 
>> Would Not Serve Her
> 
>> Sheila,
>>    I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of a
>> particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into their
>> stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I also
>> believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet assertively.
>> The law is on our sides and we need to learn how to take advantage of that
>> fact.
> 
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
> 
> 
> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
>> Not Serve Her
> 
> 
>>> I don't know if this lady had a bad attitude or not but sometimes it seems
>>> like if we stand up for ourselves we are just being sensitive it doesn't
>>> seem right. Others seem to be peeermitted to stand up for themselves but
>>> not blind folks. It needs to change.
> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:21 AM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
>>> Not Serve Her
> 
> 
>>> I have been to this establishment many times and have had only good
>>> experiences being served with my guide dog. I am also aware of others who
>>> have had positive experiences with this business.
>>> Good luck.
> 
> 
> 
>>>> From: GingerKutsch at yahoo.com
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:19:53 -0400
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
>>>> Serve Her
> 
>>>> Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not Serve Her
>>>> By: NY1 News
>>>> http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/138854/blind-woman-with-guide-d
>>>> og-says-midtown-eatery-would-not-serve-her
> 
>>>> A blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated against
>>>> her
>>>> when they would not let her guide dog inside.
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>>>> Then come back here and refresh the page.
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>>>> A legally blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated
>>>> against her when they would not let her guide dog inside.
> 
>>>> Irene Sirotta said she, her guide dog Tyler and a friend went inside La
>>>> Baguette restaurant, but an employee asked them to leave.
> 
>>>> She said they showed documentation to prove Tyler, seen above, is a guide
>>>> dog, but they were still told to get out.
> 
>>>> "It's discrimination. You can go in there, why can't I? Why?" said
>>>> Sirotta.
>>>> "He's a guide dog. Why can't I go in there? New York State law says I can
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:12:42 -0400
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
> Message-ID: <96A894ADDF924D5687B92C700FB496D7 at meandmyarrow>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>    reply-type=response
> 
> Tracy, I'm going to try to explain this and hope I make some sense.  I had 
> to put ointment in elmo's eyes for conjunctivitis.  At the Vet's office, we 
> worked out an alternative technique.  for each eye, I started with my finger 
> at the top of the eye, in other words, the upper lid and moved my finger 
> down very carefull which brought down the lower lid.  I put the ointment in 
> that way.  I hope this made some sense to you.
> 
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
> 
> 
>> Sorry Tracy, I have no good ideas for you.
>> 
>> The first thing that came to me was to put the ointment on a finger and 
>> then to put it on the inside of the eyelid, but this probably isn't a good 
>> idea. Let us know if you find something that works well for you.
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:46 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Putting eye ointment
>> 
>> 
>>> I need to put some ointment in Echo's eye twice a day for a couple weeks.
>>> I did good yesterday, but not so good today.  I have my husband hold her
>>> head still, then use one hand to pull down on the skin under her eye,
>>> hopefully opening it up, then use the other hand to position and squeeze
>>> the tube, trying not to poke her with it.  I haven't poked her, but today
>>> I'm not sure I hit the target, either.  Oh for that third hand I've 
>>> always
>>> wanted!
>>> If anyone has a good method that's better than mine, please share.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 22:01:11 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
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> 
> Very interesting good points that is for sure. Yesterday I had to tell someone not to whistle at my dogs.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:45 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Here are my edits.  You can pick and choose as you like.  I would,
> however, be interested in seeing an updated version, if you do in fact
> incorporate any of these changes into the document.
> 
> 
> Original:
> When you see a guide dog at work you are watching a team with each
> partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
> blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
> direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
> person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
> ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
> hand commands. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
> these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
> 
> My Version:
> When you see a guide dog at work, you are watching a team, with each
> partner contributing to the team effort. As the head of the team, the
> blind person?s role is to maintain control of the guide dog and to
> direct the guide dog to where the handler wants to go. The blind
> person does this by giving the dog directional commands, such as
> ?Forward?, ?Left?, and ?Right?, which are sometimes accompanied by
> hand jestures. The guide dog?s role in this partnership is to obey
> these commands, except when to do so would place the team in danger.
> For example, if a handler were to ask his guide dog to go forward when
> there was a sudden drop-off directly ahead, the guide dog would refuse
> to obey.
> 
> 
> original:
> 1. It is a violation of state & federal laws to deny access to a
> disabled person accompanied by a service animal. This includes stores,
> restaurants, taxicabs,
> parks, health care facilities, zoos, or any other place the general
> public is admitted. The law prohibits public carriers such as buses,
> trains, or planes
> from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a service
> animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a service animal
> has the same
> rights as other passengers to choose where they sit on such carriers
> where no other legally established seating requirements exists.
> 
> my version:
> 1. It is a violation of both state & federal law to segrigate or deny
> access to a disabled person accompanied by a service animal. These
> laws apply to stores, restaurants, taxicabs, parks, health care
> facilities, zoos, and any other place the general public is admitted.
> The law also prohibits public carriers such as buses, trains, or
> planes from refusing to serve a disabled individual accompanied by a
> service animal. Furthermore, a disabled person accompanied by a
> service animal has the same rights as other passengers to choose where
> they sit on such carriers where no other legally established seating
> requirements exist.
> 
> Original:
> 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
> working. It is important that others do not interfere with the dog?s
> work; therefore,
> Never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call a guide dog by name
> or speak to it, and do not intentionally make noises to distract the
> dog.
> 
> My version:
> 2. When you meet a guide dog or other service animal in public, it is
> working. It is important that no one interfere with the dog?s work;
> therefore, you should never touch a guide dog nor its gear, never call
> or speak to a guide dog, and never intentionally do anything for the
> purpose of distracting or getting the dogs attention.
> 
> Original:
> 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
> dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
> restaurants and grocery
> stores.
> 
> My version:
> 3. Never feed a service dog,? since feeding it may make working the
> dog ?? difficult in places where food is present, such as in
> restaurants and grocery stores. ?In addition, many dogs can be quite
> sensative to certain types of foods, so there is a very real
> possibility that you may make the dog ill and unable to work.
> 
> Original:
> 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
> not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
> sometimes use a ?Follow?
> command but the blind person will give it. Also, let the blind person
> know about turns to be made so the blind person can give the proper
> direction to
> the dog.
> 
> 
> My version:
> 6. When giving directions to a blind person, speak to the person. Do
> not call the dog or try to get it to follow you. Guide dog users
> sometimes use a ?Follow? command, but the blind person is the one who
> will give this command. Whether the blind person follows you or you
> simply tell the blind person where to go, it is important to give
> specific directions such as "left" and "right", rather than "over
> there" or "thataway".
> 
> 
> My version:
> ??????7. Consistent discipline is key to a successful guide dog team.
> Ordinarily, verbal admonitions are used to maintain control. If this
> fails it may become necessary for the blind person to use a firm tug
> on the leash. This does not hurt the dog; it simply brings the dog's
> attention back to its job.
> 
> Original:
> You see more blind people on the streets today, not because there are
> more of us, but because we have learned to make our own way in the
> world. A major
> factor in this progress is the National Federation of the Blind, the
> oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
> speaking for ourselves
> and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted neighbors.
> 
> My version:
> You may have noticed more blind people on the streets today, not
> because there are more of us, but because we have learned to make our
> own way in the world. A major
> factor in this progress has been the National Federation of the Blind,
> the oldest & largest organization of the blind. We are blind people
> speaking for ourselves
> and acting for ourselves, working as equal partners with our sighted neighbors.
> 
> Original:
> If you found this information interesting, perhaps you know others who
> would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
> 
> 
> My version:
> If you found this information interesting or helpful, perhaps you know
> others who would, as well! Please feel free to pass this on!
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Looking forward to printing and passing out some of these.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Aaron
> 
> On 5/14/11, Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
>> Let me think on that for a bit.  I am thinking that the word public should
>> be in the title at some point with a direction leaning toward...
>> Understanding the role of Dog Guides in Public
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:29 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> 
>> steve,
>>    Do you have any suggestions for a different title?
>> 
>> Marion
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> 
>> 
>>> Marion, it is straight to the point, and from my viewpoint, contains the
>>> *essential information* that the general public needs to know.  Any more
>>> details would be overkill.
>>> 
>>> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
>>> Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>>> To: NAGDU List; Michael Hingson; Sherrill O'Brien; Toni Whaley; Margo
>>> Downey; Meghan Whalen; Tina Thomas; Correspondence Committee Mailing List
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>>   As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am
>>> editing
>>> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the
>>> input
>>> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I
>>> know
>>> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is
>>> anything
>>> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also
>>> like
>>> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My
>>> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback
>>> before then!
>>> 
>>> Peace!
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> t
>> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:21:12 -0700
> From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] my suggestions for the brochure
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> All,
> 
> Attached is a document including my suggestions and changes.  My changes are
> in items 2 and 5.
> 
> I also included Aaron's suggestions.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Mike Hingson
> 
> The?Michael Hingson Group, INC.
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> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 05:47:50 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <11BB5D04EE904C4CA65BAC49B8AAA145 at marion27df4b2a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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> 
> Julie,
>    Great suggestion! I will do my best to get that in there, especially 
> because it is one of my pet peeves, too! we have an issue with space, you 
> know. I need to keep it short enough for an 8.5 X 11 tri-fold brochure.
> 
> Peace!
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> 
> 
>> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of access 
>> be added?
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson" 
>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" 
>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley" 
>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" <margo.downey at verizon.net>; 
>> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas" 
>> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List" 
>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> 
>> 
>> Dear All,
>>   As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like 
>> the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog 
>> user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know if 
>> there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have 
>> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions for 
>> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, 
>> so please offer your feedback before then!
>> 
>> Peace!
>> Marion Gwizdala
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 07:25:40 -0400
> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <02d601cc12f2$d256a0e0$6401a8c0 at 8K0FP61>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Hi, Marion,
> 
> I would suggest, in the section of your brochure about public 
> transportation, you specifically  mention taxis, as well as the busses, 
> trains, and planes that you have already included.  I was surprised that you 
> did not include mention of taxis, and that no one else has suggested 
> including them either, since so many of our access issues involve taxis and 
> taxi drivers.
> 
> Otherwise, Very good brochure!
> 
> Best,
> Ann
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson" 
> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; 
> "Toni Whaley" <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" 
> <margo.downey at verizon.net>; "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina 
> Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List" 
> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:14 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> 
> 
> Dear All,
>    As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am editing 
> our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would like the input 
> of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide dog user, I know 
> what I want the public to know, but would like to know if there is anything 
> "the public" would like to know that I might have missed! I would also like 
> to know if you have any better suggestions for the title of this piece. My 
> deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, so please offer your feedback 
> before then!
> 
> Peace!
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:01:42 -0500
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
> Message-ID: <00fd01cc1311$0086d570$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Heya all!
> 
> I was out of town for a business meeting Friday and Saturday.  I experienced my first access issue at the hotel and wanted to share.
> 
> When I checked into the hotel, the lady at the desk asked for Monty's card. I played stupid and asked what card? She insisted that Monty should have a card stating that he is a service dog. I told her that no ID is necessary and it is illegal for her to ask for it. she insisted that the last person that had a service dog in their hotel had a card and told them that every service dog has a card and the person must show it. *sigh* 
> 
> So I explained to her, ever so politely, that she was mistaken, that federal law very clearly does not require any sort of ID for the dog. She mumbled something about the laws must have changed. It was her way of saving face, but I was pissed and having none of it. So I continue with my explaination that the laws regarding service dogs and ID have been the same for the last 21 years. It then occurs to me that I might have copies of these laws buried in my purse. I offer to show her the laws.
> 
> I think this was the turning point in the conversation. All the sudden she was no longer interested in ID cards or discussions of actual laws. She tried to tell me that she wouldn't need an ID card this time and that she didn't need to see the laws. This made me even more irritated. I wasn't going to leave this mess for the next person to deal with.
> 
> I didn't have copies of the laws in my purse, but I did have the cards from Sit-Stay that give general information about service dogs and the DOJ toll free phone number. I gave her one of those. She tried to tell me that this card was fine. I told her that no, this is not an ID card, this is informational only and that anyone can purchase these on the internet. She then says that anyone can buy anything on the internet. AARGH! Why did she even want to see any sort of card if she freely admits that anyone can get one off the internet?
> 
> Anyway that was the end of that. The rest of my hotel stay was uneventful. Later I asked the other guide dog user that was there if he had any problems with the dog when he checked in. Nope, they didn't say a word about the dog. So either I made a dent in their stupidity or the staff had changed at the front desk.
> This was the first time that I have had any sort of problem with access in regard to my guide dogs.  I have had people ask the legal questions before, but this was the first time someone acted inappropriately.  It worked out in the end, so that was good.
> 
> Julie
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:03:15 -0500
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> Message-ID: <010101cc1311$37f581f0$0201a8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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> 
> Marion,
> 
> Thanks!  I don't think it needs to be it's own item, just a sentence or 
> phrase worked in with the part on access denials, I think.
> 
> thanks for all your hard work!
> Julie
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
> 
> 
>> Julie,
>>   Great suggestion! I will do my best to get that in there, especially 
>> because it is one of my pet peeves, too! we have an issue with space, you 
>> know. I need to keep it short enough for an 8.5 X 11 tri-fold brochure.
>> 
>> Peace!
>> Marion
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>> 
>> 
>>> Could something about ID cards not being required as a condition of 
>>> access be added?
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Hingson" 
>>> <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>; "Sherrill O'Brien" 
>>> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>; "Toni Whaley" 
>>> <blind_treasurer at verizon.net>; "Margo Downey" <margo.downey at verizon.net>; 
>>> "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>; "Tina Thomas" 
>>> <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>; "Correspondence Committee Mailing List" 
>>> <nfb-editors at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Your critique Invited!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>>   As president of the National Asociation of Guide Dog Users, I am 
>>> editing our brochure. I have attached the edits I have made and would 
>>> like the input of those who I trust to help in such endeavors. As a guide 
>>> dog user, I know what I want the public to know, but would like to know 
>>> if there is anything "the public" would like to know that I might have 
>>> missed! I would also like to know if you have any better suggestions for 
>>> the title of this piece. My deadline to submit the final copy is Monday, 
>>> so please offer your feedback before then!
>>> 
>>> Peace!
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:22:22 -0500
> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] access issue resolved!
> Message-ID: <26045E59-3369-49B0-BE6C-390D37B40EDA at gmail.com>
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> Julie,
> aaaaaaaahhhh! I hate being the one coming along after an assistance  
> dog handler who has flashed their ID and who has misinformed the  
> business owner/employee about the law.  It is a huge pain in the  
> buttocks.
> I really need to get some of those cards from sitstay.
> Thank you for taking the time to educate that lady.  Hopefully she got  
> it.
> 
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and  
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
>  pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:58:51 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
>    Would    Not Serve Her
> Message-ID: <auto-000783035001 at fe-4.cluster1.bresnan.net>
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> 
> No not yoet, but I asked what would happen if I chose not to comply and it was stated that may be I wouldn't be working. I took that as a not so suttle threat.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:59 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would    Not Serve Her
> 
> Have they come to the point saying you no longer can work for them?
> Stand your ground, and make sure you do obedience daily.
> Even more than once so your dogs know who the boss is.
> They will grow up.
> The dogs that is, people well ahem.
> 
> Original message:
>> Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs 
>> aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to 
>> try to direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide 
>> dogs the training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need 
>> to comply with there judgment calls. I work very part time and they 
>> seem to think that dictating how I get to work is there concern. I 
>> don't agree since i'm pretty sure I'm not covered by there insurance. 
>> Any suggestions would be helpful.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery 
>> Would Not Serve Her
> 
>> Sheila,
>>    I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of a
>> particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into their
>> stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I also
>> believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet assertively
> 
> 
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> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:58:48 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> Message-ID: <auto-000783034985 at fe-4.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Yes, that is great.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:43 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Way to go, Julie!
> 
> Congratulations on winning an NFB  scholarship.
> 
> You do us and our dogs proud.
> 
> Elizabeth 
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