[nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says MidtownEatery Would Not Serve Her

Wed May 18 15:21:29 UTC 2011

Have you told them that it isn't any of their business?

this is just a thought, but could acknowledging their nosiness be 
perpetuating the problem.  Perhaps giving them the opportunity to weigh in 
on your affairs, no matter if you intend to listen to them or not, might be 
giving them the incorrect assumption that it is okay to give opinions about 
your private affairs.

I hope you can get it sorted out soon.

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says MidtownEatery Would Not 
Serve Her

> We both take buses or the transit van if the weather is bad. The dog will 
> occasionally miss a sidewalk and I can usually figure that out. They would 
> prefer we take partransit all of the time but that isn't always 
> convenient. We spoke at a staff meeting yesterday and I think it could be 
> productive but one individual wants to get involved in everything about 
> the dogs including what we do with them on our own time and that is what 
> is driving me crazy. She seems to think that anything from walking to 
> relieving is fair game and I don't agree at all. If the dongs don't affect 
> our work after we clock in I don't believe it is anyone's business.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:26 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would 
> Not Serve Her
>
> Sheila.
> Can you explaina few things?
> Did they care how you got to work before you got a dog?
> I'm curious about that. Also, do you get to work using like a company car 
> or vehicle?
> As for the dogs and their behavior, can you give some examples? Maybe a 
> seminar would fix this, where you explain what the dogs do and don't do 
> and how coworkers should respond? Sounds kind of fifth-gradish but may 
> solve the problem.
> Were there any issues like this before the dogs?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 9:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would 
> Not Serve Her
>
> Sheila,
>
> Yikes!  That's awful.  I wish I had something useful to offer, but sorry.
> Not a sausage.  /smile/
>
> Hang in there!  Having other people try to control your dog is dangerous 
> to
> both of you.  For an employer to try to dictate how you get to and from
> work...  Absurd!
>
> So I just wanted to let you know that I'm angry on your behalf and hope 
> you
> find out how to resolve the issue.  It sounds like there are laws involved
> that are being broken, but that's about all I know.  I'm glad you shared
> with all of us, because any of us could find ourselves in that sort of
> situation.  I hope you can get the information you need and know how to
> proceed with this nonsense.  Ugh!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sheila Leigland
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 5:50 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> Not Serve Her
>
> Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs
> aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to try 
> to
> direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide dogs the
> training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need to comply 
> with
> there judgment calls. I work very part time and they seem to think that
> dictating how I get to work is there concern. I don't agree since i'm 
> pretty
> sure I'm not covered by there insurance. Any suggestions would be helpful.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> Not Serve Her
>
> Sheila,
>    I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of 
> a
>
> particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into their
> stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I also
> believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet assertively.
> The law is on our sides and we need to learn how to take advantage of that
> fact.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> Not Serve Her
>
>
>>I don't know if this lady had a bad attitude or not but sometimes it seems
>>like if we stand up for ourselves we are just being sensitive it doesn't
>>seem right. Others seem to be peeermitted to stand up for themselves but
>>not blind folks. It needs to change.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:21 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
>> Not Serve Her
>>
>>
>> I have been to this establishment many times and have had only good
>> experiences being served with my guide dog. I am also aware of others who
>> have had positive experiences with this business.
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: GingerKutsch at yahoo.com
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:19:53 -0400
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would 
>>> Not
>
>>> Serve Her
>>>
>>> Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not Serve Her
>>> By: NY1 News
>>>
> http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/138854/blind-woman-with-guide-d
>>> og-says-midtown-eatery-would-not-serve-her
>>>
>>> A blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated against
>>> her
>>> when they would not let her guide dog inside.
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>>> A legally blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated
>>> against her when they would not let her guide dog inside.
>>>
>>> Irene Sirotta said she, her guide dog Tyler and a friend went inside La
>>> Baguette restaurant, but an employee asked them to leave.
>>>
>>> She said they showed documentation to prove Tyler, seen above, is a 
>>> guide
>>> dog, but they were still told to get out.
>>>
>>> "It's discrimination. You can go in there, why can't I? Why?" said
>>> Sirotta.
>>> "He's a guide dog. Why can't I go in there? New York State law says I 
>>> can
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