[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 74, Issue 20
holly mcknight
hollyandpolly at hotmail.com
Wed May 18 17:54:18 UTC 2011
Hello, I have not heard about a press reliece before now. I would also like to know more about it. I also think, if they would be welcome, The Lone Star Puppy Raisers would want more info too. Texas is starting to have many more dog handlers from several different and that's great. Thanks, Holly McKnight and Pollyann
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> 1. Re: Hiking (GARY STEEVES)
> 2. Re: press release on NAGDU advocacy hotline (Elizabeth Campbell)
> 3. Re: press release on NAGDU advocacy hotline (Marion Gwizdala)
> 4. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
> Serve Her (Sheila Leigland)
> 5. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says MidtownEatery Would Not
> Serve Her (Julie J)
> 6. Re: Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
> Serve Her (Tracy Carcione)
> 7. Re: Hiking (Sheila Leigland)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 06:13:21 -0700
> From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hiking
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> hi:
>
> I've only done one long (7.5 km) hike with bogart in the mountains. It was a hike that took us around 5 lakes. i used a trekking pole in my right hand which was a good idea. susan was with me and wasn't always 100% confident that bogart would account for the drop offs on my right when he is guiding. Now these are realtively challenging hikes. On flatter paths i would trust him without anything. I like using the trekking poels for balance too. when i hike without bogart in harness I use two trekking poles. one like a cane and the other in my left hand for balance. they both offer information gathering potentials though.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bryan Brown <bryanbrown at solarus.biz>
> Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:53 am
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hiking
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I've done extensive hiking with a guide dog,
> > overnight trips, off road trail blazing, and all the rest. It is
> > a very satisfying experience. Start off slow and always make
> > sure that you've got water with you. If you are going alone,
> > keeping a cane on you and carrying a cell phone is probably a
> > good idea, a good pack with a frame is also a wise investment.
> >
> > It's nice to be able to sling a pack and disappear for a few
> > days sometimes, good luck.
> >
> > B
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hiking
> >
> >
> > >Also about dog boots...if you gradually work up to rougher and
> > rougher terrain, the dogs pads will toughen up naturally.
> > If you're planning on hiking in areas that could have sharp
> > rocks, the boots might be a good idea.
> > >
> > >And of course just like with people, the dog will need to ease
> > into the more strenuous exercise gradually.
> > >
> > >It sounds exciting! Keep us updated on your progress!
> > >Julie
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:13:16 -0500
> From: "Elizabeth Campbell" <batescampbell at charter.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] press release on NAGDU advocacy hotline
> Message-ID: <CDA77BE7221D4760B069ED8769C757E4 at OwnerPC>
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> Hi Marion,
>
> Thanks so much for the update on the press release.
> Once you have the new version, I want to post it to the Google group I
> created for those in Texas who have guide dogs or who are interested in
> learning more.
> We have a small group of guide dog users, and my hope is that we can
> eventually form a state division.
>
> Have a great day.
>
>
> Liz and Gabe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] press release on NAGDU advocacy hotline
>
>
> > Liz,
> > I will send it to you again after I edit it. We have purchased a new
> > number that is easier to remember, so I want to edit the release. Also, we
> > are doing an overhaul of the service to make it more user friendly and
> > using a real human, rather than a synthesized voice. We are planning a
> > re-release on June 1.
> >
> > fraternally yours,
> > Marion
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Elizabeth Campbell" <batescampbell at charter.net>
> > To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:06 AM
> > Subject: [nagdu] press release on NAGDU advocacy hotline
> >
> >
> >> Hello Marion!
> >>
> >> I hope all is well with you.
> >> When you get a minute, can you please send me the press release that was
> >> circulated to the NFB lists? I accidentally deleted the email with the
> >> information.
> >>
> >> Thanks much.
> >>
> >> Liz and Gabe
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:44:15 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] press release on NAGDU advocacy hotline
> Message-ID: <286F4D3527C6461F8F874F5DDBED88C4 at marion27df4b2a>
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> Liz,
> I am working on some other hotline details right now. I will send you an
> updated release as soon as I am able. There is someone on the NAGDU list
> named Holly McKnight, who mentioned starting a graduate group of guide dog
> users in Texas. She didn't mention a particular school, though, so I am not
> sure if it would be a GDT group, one from another program, or just a general
> group. In any case, perhaps we could get her involved in the effort to get
> the TAGDU division together. There seems to be some strong leaders in Texas,
> so i would like to look into getting at least a committee started soon. Will
> you be in Orlando this year?
>
> marion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Campbell" <batescampbell at charter.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] press release on NAGDU advocacy hotline
>
>
> > Hi Marion,
> >
> > Thanks so much for the update on the press release.
> > Once you have the new version, I want to post it to the Google group I
> > created for those in Texas who have guide dogs or who are interested in
> > learning more.
> > We have a small group of guide dog users, and my hope is that we can
> > eventually form a state division.
> >
> > Have a great day.
> >
> >
> > Liz and Gabe
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] press release on NAGDU advocacy hotline
> >
> >
> >> Liz,
> >> I will send it to you again after I edit it. We have purchased a new
> >> number that is easier to remember, so I want to edit the release. Also,
> >> we are doing an overhaul of the service to make it more user friendly and
> >> using a real human, rather than a synthesized voice. We are planning a
> >> re-release on June 1.
> >>
> >> fraternally yours,
> >> Marion
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Elizabeth Campbell" <batescampbell at charter.net>
> >> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:06 AM
> >> Subject: [nagdu] press release on NAGDU advocacy hotline
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello Marion!
> >>>
> >>> I hope all is well with you.
> >>> When you get a minute, can you please send me the press release that was
> >>> circulated to the NFB lists? I accidentally deleted the email with the
> >>> information.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks much.
> >>>
> >>> Liz and Gabe
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:49:24 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> Would Not Serve Her
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> We both take buses or the transit van if the weather is bad. The dog will occasionally miss a sidewalk and I can usually figure that out. They would prefer we take partransit all of the time but that isn't always convenient. We spoke at a staff meeting yesterday and I think it could be productive but one individual wants to get involved in everything about the dogs including what we do with them on our own time and that is what is driving me crazy. She seems to think that anything from walking to relieving is fair game and I don't agree at all. If the dongs don't affect our work after we clock in I don't believe it is anyone's business.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:26 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not Serve Her
>
> Sheila.
> Can you explaina few things?
> Did they care how you got to work before you got a dog?
> I'm curious about that. Also, do you get to work using like a company car or vehicle?
> As for the dogs and their behavior, can you give some examples? Maybe a seminar would fix this, where you explain what the dogs do and don't do and how coworkers should respond? Sounds kind of fifth-gradish but may solve the problem.
> Were there any issues like this before the dogs?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 9:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not Serve Her
>
> Sheila,
>
> Yikes! That's awful. I wish I had something useful to offer, but sorry.
> Not a sausage. /smile/
>
> Hang in there! Having other people try to control your dog is dangerous to
> both of you. For an employer to try to dictate how you get to and from
> work... Absurd!
>
> So I just wanted to let you know that I'm angry on your behalf and hope you
> find out how to resolve the issue. It sounds like there are laws involved
> that are being broken, but that's about all I know. I'm glad you shared
> with all of us, because any of us could find ourselves in that sort of
> situation. I hope you can get the information you need and know how to
> proceed with this nonsense. Ugh!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sheila Leigland
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 5:50 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> Not Serve Her
>
> Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs
> aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to try to
> direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide dogs the
> training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need to comply with
> there judgment calls. I work very part time and they seem to think that
> dictating how I get to work is there concern. I don't agree since i'm pretty
> sure I'm not covered by there insurance. Any suggestions would be helpful.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> Not Serve Her
>
> Sheila,
> I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of a
>
> particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into their
> stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I also
> believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet assertively.
> The law is on our sides and we need to learn how to take advantage of that
> fact.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> Not Serve Her
>
>
> >I don't know if this lady had a bad attitude or not but sometimes it seems
> >like if we stand up for ourselves we are just being sensitive it doesn't
> >seem right. Others seem to be peeermitted to stand up for themselves but
> >not blind folks. It needs to change.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:21 AM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> > Not Serve Her
> >
> >
> > I have been to this establishment many times and have had only good
> > experiences being served with my guide dog. I am also aware of others who
> > have had positive experiences with this business.
> > Good luck.
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: GingerKutsch at yahoo.com
> >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:19:53 -0400
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not
>
> >> Serve Her
> >>
> >> Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not Serve Her
> >> By: NY1 News
> >>
> http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/138854/blind-woman-with-guide-d
> >> og-says-midtown-eatery-would-not-serve-her
> >>
> >> A blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated against
> >> her
> >> when they would not let her guide dog inside.
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> >> A legally blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated
> >> against her when they would not let her guide dog inside.
> >>
> >> Irene Sirotta said she, her guide dog Tyler and a friend went inside La
> >> Baguette restaurant, but an employee asked them to leave.
> >>
> >> She said they showed documentation to prove Tyler, seen above, is a guide
> >> dog, but they were still told to get out.
> >>
> >> "It's discrimination. You can go in there, why can't I? Why?" said
> >> Sirotta.
> >> "He's a guide dog. Why can't I go in there? New York State law says I can
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:21:29 -0500
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says MidtownEatery
> Would Not Serve Her
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> Have you told them that it isn't any of their business?
>
> this is just a thought, but could acknowledging their nosiness be
> perpetuating the problem. Perhaps giving them the opportunity to weigh in
> on your affairs, no matter if you intend to listen to them or not, might be
> giving them the incorrect assumption that it is okay to give opinions about
> your private affairs.
>
> I hope you can get it sorted out soon.
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says MidtownEatery Would Not
> Serve Her
>
>
> > We both take buses or the transit van if the weather is bad. The dog will
> > occasionally miss a sidewalk and I can usually figure that out. They would
> > prefer we take partransit all of the time but that isn't always
> > convenient. We spoke at a staff meeting yesterday and I think it could be
> > productive but one individual wants to get involved in everything about
> > the dogs including what we do with them on our own time and that is what
> > is driving me crazy. She seems to think that anything from walking to
> > relieving is fair game and I don't agree at all. If the dongs don't affect
> > our work after we clock in I don't believe it is anyone's business.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:26 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> > Not Serve Her
> >
> > Sheila.
> > Can you explaina few things?
> > Did they care how you got to work before you got a dog?
> > I'm curious about that. Also, do you get to work using like a company car
> > or vehicle?
> > As for the dogs and their behavior, can you give some examples? Maybe a
> > seminar would fix this, where you explain what the dogs do and don't do
> > and how coworkers should respond? Sounds kind of fifth-gradish but may
> > solve the problem.
> > Were there any issues like this before the dogs?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 9:43 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> > Not Serve Her
> >
> > Sheila,
> >
> > Yikes! That's awful. I wish I had something useful to offer, but sorry.
> > Not a sausage. /smile/
> >
> > Hang in there! Having other people try to control your dog is dangerous
> > to
> > both of you. For an employer to try to dictate how you get to and from
> > work... Absurd!
> >
> > So I just wanted to let you know that I'm angry on your behalf and hope
> > you
> > find out how to resolve the issue. It sounds like there are laws involved
> > that are being broken, but that's about all I know. I'm glad you shared
> > with all of us, because any of us could find ourselves in that sort of
> > situation. I hope you can get the information you need and know how to
> > proceed with this nonsense. Ugh!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tami Smith-Kinney
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Sheila Leigland
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 5:50 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> > Not Serve Her
> >
> > Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs
> > aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to try
> > to
> > direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide dogs the
> > training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need to comply
> > with
> > there judgment calls. I work very part time and they seem to think that
> > dictating how I get to work is there concern. I don't agree since i'm
> > pretty
> > sure I'm not covered by there insurance. Any suggestions would be helpful.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> > Not Serve Her
> >
> > Sheila,
> > I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of
> > a
> >
> > particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into their
> > stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I also
> > believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet assertively.
> > The law is on our sides and we need to learn how to take advantage of that
> > fact.
> >
> > Fraternally yours,
> > Marion
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> > Not Serve Her
> >
> >
> >>I don't know if this lady had a bad attitude or not but sometimes it seems
> >>like if we stand up for ourselves we are just being sensitive it doesn't
> >>seem right. Others seem to be peeermitted to stand up for themselves but
> >>not blind folks. It needs to change.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:21 AM
> >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> >> Not Serve Her
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been to this establishment many times and have had only good
> >> experiences being served with my guide dog. I am also aware of others who
> >> have had positive experiences with this business.
> >> Good luck.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: GingerKutsch at yahoo.com
> >>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:19:53 -0400
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> >>> Not
> >
> >>> Serve Her
> >>>
> >>> Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not Serve Her
> >>> By: NY1 News
> >>>
> > http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/138854/blind-woman-with-guide-d
> >>> og-says-midtown-eatery-would-not-serve-her
> >>>
> >>> A blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated against
> >>> her
> >>> when they would not let her guide dog inside.
> >>> To view our videos, you need to
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> >>> Then come back here and refresh the page.
> >>>
> >>> A legally blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated
> >>> against her when they would not let her guide dog inside.
> >>>
> >>> Irene Sirotta said she, her guide dog Tyler and a friend went inside La
> >>> Baguette restaurant, but an employee asked them to leave.
> >>>
> >>> She said they showed documentation to prove Tyler, seen above, is a
> >>> guide
> >>> dog, but they were still told to get out.
> >>>
> >>> "It's discrimination. You can go in there, why can't I? Why?" said
> >>> Sirotta.
> >>> "He's a guide dog. Why can't I go in there? New York State law says I
> >>> can
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 11:34:55 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> Would Not Serve Her
> Message-ID: <423894c8e00922a1f7e4df5b712ff9c2.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Who is this obnoxious person? Is she your boss or something? You
> couldn't remind her, subtly or not, that you're an adult, and you will run
> your own affairs, and you don't care to be treated so disrespectfully?
> But then I'm a Taurus, and my inner bull gets the better of me sometimes.
> But really, one doesn't need to tolerate that kind of disrespect. Does
> this person try to run other peoples' lives, or does she just figure the
> poor blind girl needs a keeper?
> Sorry, but I'm very annoyed on your behalf.
> Tracy
>
>
> > We both take buses or the transit van if the weather is bad. The dog will
> > occasionally miss a sidewalk and I can usually figure that out. They would
> > prefer we take partransit all of the time but that isn't always
> > convenient. We spoke at a staff meeting yesterday and I think it could be
> > productive but one individual wants to get involved in everything about
> > the dogs including what we do with them on our own time and that is what
> > is driving me crazy. She seems to think that anything from walking to
> > relieving is fair game and I don't agree at all. If the dongs don't affect
> > our work after we clock in I don't believe it is anyone's business.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:26 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown
> > Eatery Would Not Serve Her
> >
> > Sheila.
> > Can you explaina few things?
> > Did they care how you got to work before you got a dog?
> > I'm curious about that. Also, do you get to work using like a company car
> > or vehicle?
> > As for the dogs and their behavior, can you give some examples? Maybe a
> > seminar would fix this, where you explain what the dogs do and don't do
> > and how coworkers should respond? Sounds kind of fifth-gradish but may
> > solve the problem.
> > Were there any issues like this before the dogs?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 9:43 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> > Not Serve Her
> >
> > Sheila,
> >
> > Yikes! That's awful. I wish I had something useful to offer, but sorry.
> > Not a sausage. /smile/
> >
> > Hang in there! Having other people try to control your dog is dangerous
> > to
> > both of you. For an employer to try to dictate how you get to and from
> > work... Absurd!
> >
> > So I just wanted to let you know that I'm angry on your behalf and hope
> > you
> > find out how to resolve the issue. It sounds like there are laws involved
> > that are being broken, but that's about all I know. I'm glad you shared
> > with all of us, because any of us could find ourselves in that sort of
> > situation. I hope you can get the information you need and know how to
> > proceed with this nonsense. Ugh!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tami Smith-Kinney
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Sheila Leigland
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 5:50 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> > Not Serve Her
> >
> > Marion have a situation at work. People seem to think that our new dogs
> > aren't behaving the way they think they should and have the right to try
> > to
> > direct them. Unfortunately they know next to nothing about guide dogs the
> > training or what a dog is capable of. They think that I need to comply
> > with
> > there judgment calls. I work very part time and they seem to think that
> > dictating how I get to work is there concern. I don't agree since i'm
> > pretty
> > sure I'm not covered by there insurance. Any suggestions would be helpful.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:17 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> > Not Serve Her
> >
> > Sheila,
> > I agree with you. I believe society has expectations of how someone of
> > a
> >
> > particular class is supposed to act and, when they do not fit into their
> > stereotype, confuse assertiveness with aggression. this being said, I also
> > believe it is important to handle such situations calmly, yet assertively.
> > The law is on our sides and we need to learn how to take advantage of that
> > fact.
> >
> > Fraternally yours,
> > Marion
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> > Not Serve Her
> >
> >
> >>I don't know if this lady had a bad attitude or not but sometimes it
> >> seems
> >>like if we stand up for ourselves we are just being sensitive it doesn't
> >>seem right. Others seem to be peeermitted to stand up for themselves but
> >>not blind folks. It needs to change.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:21 AM
> >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery
> >> Would
> >> Not Serve Her
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been to this establishment many times and have had only good
> >> experiences being served with my guide dog. I am also aware of others
> >> who
> >> have had positive experiences with this business.
> >> Good luck.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: GingerKutsch at yahoo.com
> >>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:19:53 -0400
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would
> >>> Not
> >
> >>> Serve Her
> >>>
> >>> Blind Woman With Guide Dog Says Midtown Eatery Would Not Serve Her
> >>> By: NY1 News
> >>>
> > http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/138854/blind-woman-with-guide-d
> >>> og-says-midtown-eatery-would-not-serve-her
> >>>
> >>> A blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated against
> >>> her
> >>> when they would not let her guide dog inside.
> >>> To view our videos, you need to
> >>> enable JavaScript. Learn how.
> >>> install Adobe Flash 9 or above. Install now.
> >>>
> >>> Then come back here and refresh the page.
> >>>
> >>> A legally blind woman told NY1 that a Midtown restaurant discriminated
> >>> against her when they would not let her guide dog inside.
> >>>
> >>> Irene Sirotta said she, her guide dog Tyler and a friend went inside La
> >>> Baguette restaurant, but an employee asked them to leave.
> >>>
> >>> She said they showed documentation to prove Tyler, seen above, is a
> >>> guide
> >>> dog, but they were still told to get out.
> >>>
> >>> "It's discrimination. You can go in there, why can't I? Why?" said
> >>> Sirotta.
> >>> "He's a guide dog. Why can't I go in there? New York State law says I
> >>> can
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:19:09 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hiking
> Message-ID: <auto-000030364913 at fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net>
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> I guess it is done a man in our class at the school hikes with his dog.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brittney N. Mejico <brittneymejico at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:25 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hiking
>
> Jeff
> I guess great minds think a like because earlier today I was wondering about
> hiking with a dog guide.
> I had the same questions as you LOL.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Young
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:09 PM
> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
> Subject: [nagdu] Hiking
>
> I've heard that blind people go hiking with their dogs quite often. I'm
> wondering how much hiking? Do they go on overnight trips? Do people take
> their dogs even on very rough terain?
>
> I'm planning on doing some backpacking this summer, and I don't know how
> much I should rely on Hansel. I use to do some pretty serious hiking in boy
> scouts, but then I used the cane as a walking stick and held on to a
> person's pack. Also, should I have the dog where booties because of possible
> sharp rocks and whatnot?
> Sorry for such a loaded email.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff and Hansel
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