[nagdu] a blindconsumer's RighttoChooserehabtraining(federalregs)

Sat Nov 12 01:51:51 UTC 2011

That's good!  With computers and stuff you could be a minister anytime you 
wanted too!  I know the Catholics have the Xavier Society and other things 
to get the word out!  I have a good friend who is very active in her church 
and she brailles her music and anything else she needs!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] a blindconsumer's 
RighttoChooserehabtraining(federalregs)


>I was told by my councilor I could not go into ministry because I was blind 
>,and I needed to eat. I'm going for my doctorate in theology and the 
>councilor who told me this, no longer works in the blindness field. RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeffrey Young" <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:49 PM
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> RighttoChooserehabtraining(federalregs)
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>>I should say, regarding my previous rant, that I have, like Julie, had 
>>good experiences. Dealing with a counselor can be a difficult experience.
>> Jeff Young
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>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I'm replying to myself! LOL It's a privledge that old people get.
>>>
>>> I wanted to add that sometimes clients sell themselves short, 
>>> occassionally very short.  It's hard to work with a young, energetic 
>>> client who is well spoken, who is confident and well educated who tells 
>>> you they want to sell pencils on the corner.  As a counselor you want to 
>>> encourage them to elevate their expectations.  You know in your heart 
>>> that they could acomplish so much more.  There's no way to know if they 
>>> want to sell pencils because that's all they think they can do or is 
>>> that really their heart's desire?
>>>
>>> I admit to being less than 100% supportive of other blind people that I 
>>> thought were choosing to be a piano tuner or telemarketer because I 
>>> thought they were picking those careers because those are the only 
>>> options for blind folks.  Looking back I see it was a mistake, but at 
>>> the time I had no way to know.   There are ways to be supportive of 
>>> someone while still encouraging them to be more, but I hadn't quite 
>>> figured that out yet.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2011 3:24 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>> In defense of rehabilitation counselors, they are just like us, human. 
>>>> They may see potential in you that you don't see.  They may be trying 
>>>> to get you thinking outside of the box, so to speak and may suggest 
>>>> things you hadn't considered.  Sometimes it's difficult to be 
>>>> encouraging while still being realistic.  None of us can see into the 
>>>> future to know exactly what the person on the other side of the desk is 
>>>> capable of.
>>>>
>>>> I used to work in rehabilitation and still do in a different capacity. 
>>>> I've seen folks with huge dreams, but their daily actions don't fit 
>>>> with what they are saying they want to do.   I've talked with folks who 
>>>> tell me they want to work in drug/alcohol prevention.  Yet when I make 
>>>> suggestions of things they could do now like learning Braille, joining 
>>>> local prevention organizations, checking out colleges etc. they make 
>>>> excuses and don't do any of those things.  So is it awful of the 
>>>> counselor to tell the client the agency can't support them in that 
>>>> goal?
>>>>
>>>> Outside of the professional rehabilitation scene, I've frequently had 
>>>> email and phone calls from individuals who want to owner train their 
>>>> guide dog.  Some of them I encourage and some I try to gently suggest 
>>>> they try a different avenue for getting a guide.  Do I believe blind 
>>>> people can train their own guide dog?  Absolutely.  It is, however, an 
>>>> entirely different question to ask can this person I am talking to 
>>>> train their own guide?  Maybe yes and maybe no, but blindness isn't as 
>>>> big of a factor as commitment, ambition and resourcefulness are.
>>>>
>>>> And then there are rehab counselors who do not have a very positive 
>>>> view of what blind people can truly accomplish. *sigh*  That is a whole 
>>>> different discussion.
>>>>
>>>> anyway I'm just saying to try to understand where the counselor is 
>>>> coming from because it will help you know how to proceed to get 
>>>> yourself what you need.
>>>>
>>>> JMHO
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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