[nagdu] Stress Issues

Tue Sep 6 23:45:04 UTC 2011

Hi Tami,
I feel that to some degree, dogs are like children and they are products of
our environment. Please don't mistake my posts for pointing any fingers at
anyone, but it is just an observation that does need to be considered.
Thanks,

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Tami Kinney
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:55 AM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Stress Issues

Steve,

Yeah, and you don't always know what it is you're doing to create the
common behaviors, do you? /smile/

Weirdest thing. When I was trying to figure out this strange creature
that was inhabiting my apartment somehow when I'd thought I was getting
a dawg, I did a lot of observing when I was interacting with the
creature and watched the small behavioral changes as time went by. Then,
of course, starting on early training and the ground work for guide dog
training, I realized that it was all going be very simple because she
was so much like the sort of animal I prefer and always seem to get by
luck... That reminds of me of Sapphire, the wonderful cremello
Arab/Quarter Horse cross of my youth, of Smoky, the colt I trained from
the ground up or... She does that just like my Musket kitty, and now
that I think about it... Certainly, she's a whole lot Like Spur, my
Arabian that I had to give up after we moved to Bend. He was 14 when I
got him, so I didn't have any early influence at all, and I picked him
out because of his personality and training... Never get an Arabian with
personality, BTW! The silly things have plenty of personality as it is
is, thank you. If one is noteworthy for having personality, you're going
to have a lot of entertainment dealing with that when you'd rather just
go for a nice ride. /lol/ But fairly early on, I noticed my poodle pup
messing with me in exactly the same way he would. Good grief! How do
these things happen to  me? And why to they make me so happy?

So, after all those years of just assuming that that was how my animals
were, whether I picked them out or just ended up with them -- with
Mitzi, it's a combo of both - are so much alike even across species. Oh.
Even way back when I was a kid. So I wonder what it is I do? I've paid
more attention with Mitzi and then with Daisy around the house out here,
and I still don't know what really changes an animal's attitude and
behavior. Some of the training techniques I use consciously have an
impact on behavior, of course. But I still don't know what I do to end
up with such similar "native" behaviors in the animals I live and spend
a lot of time with. Well, I was trained from before I was walking by a
Persian cat and then by a border collie on the ranch, so I guess they
trained me up right. /smile/ 

Anyway, that is not helpful for dealing with problem behaviors, but
definitely if one can track down what they're doing that may be
affecting their dog (or cat or turtle or...), then that's very helpful
for modifying it to achieve different results if that's what you need.
Dogs, especially, are such social animals that they read us far better
than we do them. They're also very gracious the way they let us go
around talking about how much smarter we are than them. /lol/

Tami 

On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 12:10 -0500, Steven Johnson wrote: 
> A good friend of mine pointed out to me after I made a comment how all of
my
> dogs had similar habits.  They simply said, in a question, and what is the
> common denominator?  This made me think very closely to what I was doing
> right and those things I let slide.  I also know of others who have had a
> number of dogs in a short period of time, and I always simply ask this
> question.  So, what is the common denominator?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Stress Issues
> 
> Wow! I don't think "I guess this dog just can't be an off leash dog" is
> really an acceptable answer. I have had a batch of dogs and several
> problems, but I never had one that had to always be tied, leashed, or
> crated. Cindy
> 
> On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Lora wrote:
> 
> > My school gave me lots of methods that I tried to get this dog to
> > listen of leash and finally the school was like well I guess this dog
> > can't be an off leash dog.
> > 
> > On 9/5/11, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I can't remember if you have spoken to the school about this. You
> shouldn't
> >> have lots of off leash problems with him at this point. If it was
stress
> >> though, wouldn't his guiding be affected, too? I don't really know. I
had
> a
> >> dog once that the vet said was stress drinking, but she was a good
> working
> >> dog. I hope someone can help you more than I can apparently help.
> >> 
> >> CL
> >> 
> >> On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Lora wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I've had him for about a year. I know I have a very busy lifestyle.
> >>> His guide work is amazing and I like him as a dog. His off leash
> >>> issues are about the only issue. I've had previous dogs that have had
> >>> lots of problems.
> >>> 
> >>> On 9/5/11, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I can't remember how long you have had this dog. Weren't you having
> >>>> trouble
> >>>> with him from the time you got him? I can't remember for sure. I
can't
> >>>> remember where he came from either, though in the end that wouldn't
> >>>> matter.
> >>>> Why do you think he has so much stress in his life?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Cindy
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Lora wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hello List:
> >>>>> I know we've probably had this discussion before but I would
> >>>>> appreciate it if we could have it again. My dog is loosing a lot of
> >>>>> hair and I think it is due to stress since he is on a good diet. I
> >>>>> can't trust him off leash since he doesn't listen at all. I have
tried
> >>>>> letting him play on a flexilead but he won't run around. I play with
> >>>>> him tug of war and other games like that but I don't think he's
> >>>>> getting enough stress out of his life. Do you have any suggestions?
> >>>>> Thank You.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Lora
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