[nagdu] Doors

Fri Sep 16 16:30:01 UTC 2011

Ah, that makes sense. Now that I'm paying attention again to how we do
it, I'm finding doors traumatic and confusing. /lol/ Well, we've had a
couple of chances to practice with me paying attention, and I think I'm
figuring out what we do, precisely, so it's a good thing, since that way
I may be able to figure out if we can do it better... The simpler a
thing is to do, the more difficult it is for me to figure out; makes me
crazy sometimes. Yup. If it's not rocket science I cannot figure it
out. /lol/

Well, safety first, so as long as we get through those doors safely for
both handler and dog, then it's all good, right? /grin/

Tami

On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 17:25 -0600, harold leigland wrote: 
> hi tami, I should clairify that the dog steps in front of us after it gets through the door, comes around to left side again to work by harness best hal 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To:  nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date: Tuesday, Sep 13, 2011 12:44:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
> 
> >
> >
> > Yikes! Glad your dog saved your fall there. I've convinced Mitzi of my
> > stupidity the same way once or twice, but I seem to keep my stair falls
> > to one or two steps. For doors, I am fortunate that she does leash guide
> > or give me other hints even when I drop the handle, so that has made it
> > easier to come up with ways to deal those awkward doors in our lives.
> > I've heard of the notion of Heeling your dog through the door -- some
> > self-proclaimed expert or other lectured me about it at length when we
> > were getting to that place in our training. I made the mistake of asking
> > if they had ideas... I need to remember to be more specific,
> > clearly. /lol/ I meant iningd* ideas! And I didn't want to be harangued
> > about how I ininmust* use your disastrously bad idea because you know best
> > that that ininis* how it is done by all guide dog users because that is the
> > way it must be! If I don't know the door I'm going through, I'm not
> > heeling the dog, thank you. Nor am I going to get into that habit!
> > 
> > Well, if others have been taught to do things that way and it works for
> > you, then I guess it's a good idea for you. /smile/ For me, the very
> > thought makes my hair stand on end. I know me too well, I guess. If
> > there's a disaster waiting to happen on the other side of the door, and
> > I don't notice with my other senses, then I can probably manage to have
> > the disaster. /shudder/
> > 
> > Anyway, I'm liking hearing about the solutions others have come up with
> > and/or been taught. Now my task is not be so busy thinking about how I
> > go around opening doors and getting through them that I fall on my face
> > because I'm over thinking it. /lol/ 
> > 
> > Tami
> > 
> > On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 13:02 com0400, Tracy Carcione wrote: 
> > > I notice, now that I pay a little attention, that sometimes I drop the
> > > harness and hold the door, and either bring Ben around behind me to my
> > > right, or leave him on my left, and let him walk through the door ahead of
> > > me.  He is not trained to leash guide, but he can do it a bit, and I can
> > > feel if he stops or moves to avoid something as he goes through the door.
> > > I guess I've just had too many mishaps when moving around in public
> > > without using my dog or cane that I am real leery of doing it.  I had a
> > > spectacular incident once when my dog stopped, and I thought he'd stopped
> > > for a door, so I stepped up to open it and fell down a flight of stairs at
> > > the Empire State Building.  My dog stood at the top, and his leash stopped
> > > my slide.  I'm sure he was thinking what an idiot I was, and he was right.
> > > So, after enough such stupidities, I try not to step in front of my dog,
> > > and to keep hold of the harness as much as possible.
> > > Tracy
> > > 
> > > > That spin thing is what I've been doing for the past few years, but I
> > > > really don't like it.  I used to do the reach across to hold the door
> > > > open maneuver.  I was always afraid about getting the dog's paws caught
> > > > in the bottom of the door, but I'm also not comfortable letting go of
> > > > the harness handle when working through doors.  I'm going to have to
> > > > think more about this.  Perhaps when I'm walking again this is something
> > > > I can experiment with in the house.   Keep the ideas coming!  It helps
> > > > me to think through all the options.
> > > >
> > > > Julie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/13/2011 9:01 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> > > >ar That is what I call the pirouette. I learned it in class, and promptly
> > > >ar forgot it.  It doesn't work for me, but obviously it works for others.
> > > >ar Tracy
> > > >ar
> > > >ar
> > > >>> Archie and I do that too. When we come to a door. I'll turn around, And
> > > >>> go
> > > >>> threw back first so the door don't hit hem.
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: "Natalie"<nrorrell at qwest.net>
> > > >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > >>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:53 PM
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hi Tracy, et al,
> > > >>>> When working Liam through a door that opens on the left, I pivot, so
> > > >>>> as
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>> have my back to the door then heel him through.  I've been doing this
> > > >>>> with
> > > >>>> all my guides.  Probably my explanation sounds as clear as mud; I'd
> > > >>>> have
> > > >>>> to physically show you to make sure the words are coming out right,
> > > >>>> lol.
> > > >>>> I've been doing it so long it's natural, and it works for Liam and me.
> > > >>>> Best,
> > > >>>> Nat and Liam Joshua
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>> From: "Tracy Carcione"<carcione at access.net>
> > > >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:23 PM
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Catching up on old email...
> > > >>>>> Like Catherine, I reach across my body to hold open doors with hinges
> > > >>>>> on
> > > >>>>> the left.
> > > >>>>> If I'm opening a door towards me, I try to angle my foot a bit so my
> > > >>>>> shoe
> > > >>>>> is between the dog's paws and the door.
> > > >>>>> It's hard to explain, since I'm so used to it I don't think about it
> > > >>>>> anymore much.
> > > >>>>> Tracy
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Tracy,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I'd love to be able to work Monty through doors.  Like you I don't
> > > >>>>>> want
> > > >>>>>> to step into something unknown on the other side.  I also know of a
> > > >>>>>> couple of places where there are steps immediate to the door, which
> > > >>>>>> make
> > > >>>>>> working the dog a much less nerve racking experience! ininsmile*
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> My question is for doors that open on the right, hinges on the left,
> > > >>>>>> how
> > > >>>>>> do you keep the door open wide enough so that it doesn't whack the
> > > >>>>>> dog
> > > >>>>>> who is between you and the door?  There's no problem say on the door
> > > >>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>> my home that stays in place when I open it, but what about the doors
> > > >>>>>> that automatically close when they aren't being held?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I used to work right opening doors as you describe with Tia, but
> > > >>>>>> caught
> > > >>>>>> her feet on several occasions.  Fortunately never bad enough to do
> > > >>>>>> damage, but still something I don't want to take chances on.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Do I just have short arms or something? ininsmile*  Seriously though I
> > > >>>>>> would like to know how you do this.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Julie
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 8/30/2011 10:53 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> I just went out to get lunch, and I see that I almost always work
> > > >>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>> dog
> > > >>>>>>> through doors.  I don't even think about it anymore.
> > > >>>>>>> Tracy
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
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