[nagdu] Churches

[Lyn Gwizdak]

Brenda,
This isn't a good idea.  A church isn't like a restaurant , store or mall. 
It's not the same as other places where the public can gather.

At a church, you are welcome to come to Sunday services - which are open to 
anyone who walks through their doors.  It's not like going to the grocery 
store.  But bringing in the press isn't good because it looks like the 
government trying to tell churches what to do.

We in the movement for same-sex marriage know that we cannot, by the 
seperation of church and state clause in the US Constitution, we CANNOT make 
a church perform a same-sex marriage if their particular faith is opposed to 
gay marriage.  We work with the civil marriage part.

I don't think we can use the ADA or other laws to make churches accept 
people they don't want around.  Is this right? NO! Would Jesus like this? 
NO!  Are churches who don't want the blind or our dogs make us unwelcome, 
then they are hypocrites and who would want to join them anyway.

Just keep searching to find the right church family for you where you are 
accepted and welcomed as a valued member of the congregation.  They exist 
but are sometimes hard to find.  It's a shame because the worship in person 
with a like-minded group is far better than watching a service on TV or 
computer.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches


> That is just plain disgusting.  Too bad a bunch of guide dog users in the 
> area couldn't show up with a few people with cameras for the media.  I 
> don't like to cut down churches, but this behavior is outrageous.  Could 
> you contact the governing agency of the denomination and let them know 
> this is going on?
> Brenda
>
> On 4/4/2012 7:49 PM, Bertha Avila Guerrero wrote:
>> Assemblies of God. But I called a non-denominational and even a catholic
>> church even though I am not Catholic because I really wanted for us to
>> attend an Easter Service.
>>
>> B A Guerrero and Seeing Eye Dog Godiva
>> guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Alan Wheeler
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:39 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches
>>
>> What denomination church are you looking for? I'm sorry, but ADA or not,
>> considering the mission/purpose of the church, not accepting you because 
>> of
>> your guide dog is just flat wrong, no matter the denomination.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Bertha Avila Guerrero
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 6:34 PM
>> To: NAGDU NFB
>> Subject: [nagdu] Churches
>>
>> Hello All,
>> I know churches are the only places that can deny us access. I don't
>> understand this since they have to follow ADA regulations for building
>> accessibility.
>> Anyway, I have been in Colorado a year and a half and have not yet found 
>> a
>> home church. This has been difficult for me because I am used to be 
>> active
>> in church. Well I decided Godiva and I needed to find an Easter service 
>> and
>> the two churches I called were friendly enough and would not come out and
>> say we would be denied access.
>> But one told me we would have to sit in the foyer and the security guard
>> would decide if we would be allowed in the sanctuary. Another church told 
>> me
>> we would have to sit in the back pew. Needless to say I am very
>> disappointed, and my heart hurts . I had no trouble attending church in
>> Texas when I go back.
>>
>> Well I guess we won't be attending an Easter service.
>>
>> B A Guerrero and Seeing Eye Dog Godiva
>> guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
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