[nagdu] Churches

Thu Apr 5 21:23:27 UTC 2012

It's not the size of the church - it's the kind of people in them.

The Lutheran church that is very blind and dog friendly here is a very small 
congregation.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches

> Oh how aweful...  I haven't had any problems taking Brie to various
> churches around the St. Louis area.  I go to a Southern Baptist
> church, and everyone is super welcoming  to us.  The church choir even
> bought her a bed to keep in the choir room.  Brie comes on stage with
> me when I sing with the choir, and no one has ever said a word against
> us being there.  Perhaps finding a bigger church in the area might
> help.  In a bigger church, there is more of a chance that they have
> dealt with people with disabilities before who needed to be
> accomidated.  Dumb logic, maybe, but it's the best I've got.
>
> On 4/4/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>> At least with the Catholics, they try to make rules good or bad that 
>> apply
>> in most if not all of there churches.  I imagine that some of the smaller
>> churches can make there own rules.  I'm not picking on anyone but that 
>> seems
>> to be the way it is!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches
>>
>>
>>> All governing agencies aren't equal. A Catholic Diocese would be, or 
>>> even
>>> talking to a priest; not sure how Assemblies of God would work.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is just plain disgusting.  Too bad a bunch of guide dog users in 
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> area couldn't show up with a few people with cameras for the media.  I
>>>> don't like to cut down churches, but this behavior is outrageous. 
>>>> Could
>>>> you contact the governing agency of the denomination and let them know
>>>> this is going on?
>>>> Brenda
>>>>
>>>> On 4/4/2012 7:49 PM, Bertha Avila Guerrero wrote:
>>>>> Assemblies of God. But I called a non-denominational and even a 
>>>>> catholic
>>>>> church even though I am not Catholic because I really wanted for us to
>>>>> attend an Easter Service.
>>>>>
>>>>> B A Guerrero and Seeing Eye Dog Godiva
>>>>> guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Alan Wheeler
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:39 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches
>>>>>
>>>>> What denomination church are you looking for? I'm sorry, but ADA or 
>>>>> not,
>>>>> considering the mission/purpose of the church, not accepting you 
>>>>> because
>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>> your guide dog is just flat wrong, no matter the denomination.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Bertha Avila Guerrero
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 6:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU NFB
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Churches
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> I know churches are the only places that can deny us access. I don't
>>>>> understand this since they have to follow ADA regulations for building
>>>>> accessibility.
>>>>> Anyway, I have been in Colorado a year and a half and have not yet 
>>>>> found
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> home church. This has been difficult for me because I am used to be
>>>>> active
>>>>> in church. Well I decided Godiva and I needed to find an Easter 
>>>>> service
>>>>> and
>>>>> the two churches I called were friendly enough and would not come out
>>>>> and
>>>>> say we would be denied access.
>>>>> But one told me we would have to sit in the foyer and the security 
>>>>> guard
>>>>> would decide if we would be allowed in the sanctuary. Another church
>>>>> told me
>>>>> we would have to sit in the back pew. Needless to say I am very
>>>>> disappointed, and my heart hurts . I had no trouble attending church 
>>>>> in
>>>>> Texas when I go back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I guess we won't be attending an Easter service.
>>>>>
>>>>> B A Guerrero and Seeing Eye Dog Godiva
>>>>> guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> -- 
> Julie McG
> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind
> of Missouri recording secretary,
> and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
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