[nagdu] Churches

Thu Apr 5 23:40:29 UTC 2012

RJ,
Are you offended at Brenda for her thoughts on this problem or are you 
offended that a Southern Baptist pastor would have this crappy attitude 
towards blind folks?  Just wasn't clear of who or what offended you (grin!)

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches

> As someone going into pastoral ministry myself, and having taught Sunday 
> school, I find this offencive! RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches
>
>
>> True, but perhaps educating people in the AG denomination might get them 
>> to correct these *idiots.*
>>
>> As for Southern Baptists - The pastor of the church I once attended told 
>> the head of the Sunday School department that he did not want me to teach 
>> Sunday School because I was legally blind.  I think churches are the last 
>> place people feel comfortable being their true discriminatory selves 
>> because they can.  They have to play nice everywhere else.  I think it 
>> would really be fun to have a visitation team of cane and guide dog users 
>> to attend some of the unaccepting churches.
>> Brenda
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/4/2012 9:57 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> All governing agencies aren't equal. A Catholic Diocese would be, or 
>>> even talking to a priest; not sure how Assemblies of God would work.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is just plain disgusting.  Too bad a bunch of guide dog users in 
>>>> the area couldn't show up with a few people with cameras for the media. 
>>>> I don't like to cut down churches, but this behavior is outrageous. 
>>>> Could you contact the governing agency of the denomination and let them 
>>>> know this is going on?
>>>> Brenda
>>>>
>>>> On 4/4/2012 7:49 PM, Bertha Avila Guerrero wrote:
>>>>> Assemblies of God. But I called a non-denominational and even a 
>>>>> catholic
>>>>> church even though I am not Catholic because I really wanted for us to
>>>>> attend an Easter Service.
>>>>>
>>>>> B A Guerrero and Seeing Eye Dog Godiva
>>>>> guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Alan Wheeler
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:39 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches
>>>>>
>>>>> What denomination church are you looking for? I'm sorry, but ADA or 
>>>>> not,
>>>>> considering the mission/purpose of the church, not accepting you 
>>>>> because of
>>>>> your guide dog is just flat wrong, no matter the denomination.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Bertha Avila Guerrero
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 6:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU NFB
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Churches
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> I know churches are the only places that can deny us access. I don't
>>>>> understand this since they have to follow ADA regulations for building
>>>>> accessibility.
>>>>> Anyway, I have been in Colorado a year and a half and have not yet 
>>>>> found a
>>>>> home church. This has been difficult for me because I am used to be 
>>>>> active
>>>>> in church. Well I decided Godiva and I needed to find an Easter 
>>>>> service and
>>>>> the two churches I called were friendly enough and would not come out 
>>>>> and
>>>>> say we would be denied access.
>>>>> But one told me we would have to sit in the foyer and the security 
>>>>> guard
>>>>> would decide if we would be allowed in the sanctuary. Another church 
>>>>> told me
>>>>> we would have to sit in the back pew. Needless to say I am very
>>>>> disappointed, and my heart hurts . I had no trouble attending church 
>>>>> in
>>>>> Texas when I go back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I guess we won't be attending an Easter service.
>>>>>
>>>>> B A Guerrero and Seeing Eye Dog Godiva
>>>>> guerrero.avila at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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