[nagdu] another what would you do question

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Mon Apr 9 15:55:32 UTC 2012 

I wam curious as well.  I suspect that whatever is causing the dog to do 
this came after they left the school and the behavior has gone uncheccked 
until it has become probblematic!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question


> This is true, dogs should not act like that, however, there are always 
> reasons for things. Sometimes it's the handler, sometimes the dog, 
> sometimes the dog had pore training, or a dog that should never have been 
> placed becomes a guide dog. I am kind of interested in learning the back 
> story on this issue.
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
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>> Mark, that doesn't really matter.  The dog should simply not be allowed 
>> to do that!  If he has a tendency to be aggressive, his partner should 
>> iether stop him from doing that or go back to the school and learn how or 
>> get another dog.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
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>>> The other part of the question is what happened to the dog to make it 
>>> act in such an aggressive manner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
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>>>
>>>> Biting people?!  This dog has bitten people, and no one's filed 
>>>> charges,
>>>> or called Animal Control?  And what is this guy thinking, working a dog
>>>> that bites people?  That just seems crazy.  Are you sure it's that bad?
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what the dog does, only what others have told me.  But
>>>>> biting people does scare me, quite a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/9/2012 8:54 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>> I have to ask, what does this dog do and why does it scare you?
>>>>>> Kujo levels of aggression??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:47 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenine,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thank you.  This is sorta what I was coming to, once I got over the
>>>>>> initial panic. I'll have to ask around to get contact info for the
>>>>>> gentleman.  We have never met.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did ask the people I talked to about what exactly the dog does.  I 
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> very specific answers that honestly scare me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then this afternoon I realized that my transportation master plan is 
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> epic fail for entirely other reasons.  So I may very well have to 
>>>>>> find
>>>>>> other transportation to this event, not because of the dog but 
>>>>>> because I
>>>>>> can't be in two places at once.  Honestly I need to be more diligent
>>>>>> about putting things in the calendar. *sigh*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback.  It truly does help.
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 11:47 AM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think my questions would include, to those trusted sources first:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Describe why you feel this dog is aggressive, what kinds of 
>>>>>>> situations
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> you seen in which this dog exhibited aggressive behavior?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I'd  contact the person and just flat out ask, letting him know
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you've heard reports that his dog has some issues with either
>>>>>>> aggression, or
>>>>>>> at the very least, making noise around other dogs, which is 
>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>> mistaken for aggression. I'd let him know that you are concerned 
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> riding in a closed vehicle with this dog and just want to know where
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> stand, not to criticize him or the dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that's the fair way to handle it but whatever way you 
>>>>>>> choose,
>>>>>>> talking to the handler is going to have to be one of those necessary
>>>>>>> evils.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Julie J.
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 12:28 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have another what would you do in this situation question.  I'm 
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> apologize in advance because my information is going to seem 
>>>>>>> cryptic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am attending an event with other blind people and some guide dogs. 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> riding to this event in a van with one of the other guide dogs.  I 
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> planning on taking Monty.  I have heard from more than one trusted
>>>>>>> source that the other guide dog is aggressive.   I do not know the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> guide dog handler at all.  I do not know what program the dog is 
>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>> Not going to this event is not an option.  getting there another way 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> extremely remote option that I'm looking into.  Even if I do find 
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> transportation I will be in a small hotel for the weekend where this
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> guide dog will also be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what do I do?  I've thought about leaving Monty, but there won't 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> anyone available to care for him.  I'd have to leave him at the dog
>>>>>>> sitter's
>>>>>>> place.  It also feels like leaving Monty is allowing the other 
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> to not
>>>>>>> take responsibility for his dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there some obvious solution that I'm overlooking? I know you guys
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> awesome and will have great ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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