[nagdu] another what would you do question

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Mon Apr 9 19:19:50 UTC 2012 

What I do know is that the dog is rumored to be aggressive.  I also know 
that that shouldn't dictate whether fomeone should or shouldn't go somewhere 
in public.  If the dog was aggressive and the event was at the handelers 
home, that would be different but, if I wanted to say go to state convention 
and someone had an aggresswive dog, that shouldn't me from attending as 
well.  Now, I did say that Julie could put her body between herself and the 
aggressive dog.  I also mentioned that she could look and listen for the 
presence of the dog team.  No, she may not be totally safe but she may be 
able to sue if she or her dog gets bitten.  Of course, the safest thing 
would be is for her not to attend but then, I feel that this person having 
the aggressive dog is dictating what she can and can't do!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question


> Well, you don't know any of this. You can't make any kinds of judgments at 
> all because you don't know the dog, you don't know the handler, you don't 
> know the school. The real issue is how does Julie stay safe.
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>
>> I wam curious as well.  I suspect that whatever is causing the dog to do 
>> this came after they left the school and the behavior has gone uncheccked 
>> until it has become probblematic!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>
>>
>>> This is true, dogs should not act like that, however, there are always 
>>> reasons for things. Sometimes it's the handler, sometimes the dog, 
>>> sometimes the dog had pore training, or a dog that should never have 
>>> been placed becomes a guide dog. I am kind of interested in learning the 
>>> back story on this issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" 
>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:02 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mark, that doesn't really matter.  The dog should simply not be allowed 
>>>> to do that!  If he has a tendency to be aggressive, his partner should 
>>>> iether stop him from doing that or go back to the school and learn how 
>>>> or get another dog.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" 
>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:39 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The other part of the question is what happened to the dog to make it 
>>>>> act in such an aggressive manner.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" 
>>>>> <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:30 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Biting people?!  This dog has bitten people, and no one's filed 
>>>>>> charges,
>>>>>> or called Animal Control?  And what is this guy thinking, working a 
>>>>>> dog
>>>>>> that bites people?  That just seems crazy.  Are you sure it's that 
>>>>>> bad?
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what the dog does, only what others have told me.  But
>>>>>>> biting people does scare me, quite a lot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/9/2012 8:54 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have to ask, what does this dog do and why does it scare you?
>>>>>>>> Kujo levels of aggression??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:47 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenine,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thank you.  This is sorta what I was coming to, once I got over the
>>>>>>>> initial panic. I'll have to ask around to get contact info for the
>>>>>>>> gentleman.  We have never met.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did ask the people I talked to about what exactly the dog does. 
>>>>>>>> I got
>>>>>>>> very specific answers that honestly scare me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then this afternoon I realized that my transportation master plan 
>>>>>>>> is an
>>>>>>>> epic fail for entirely other reasons.  So I may very well have to 
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>> other transportation to this event, not because of the dog but 
>>>>>>>> because I
>>>>>>>> can't be in two places at once.  Honestly I need to be more 
>>>>>>>> diligent
>>>>>>>> about putting things in the calendar. *sigh*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback.  It truly does help.
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 11:47 AM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think my questions would include, to those trusted sources 
>>>>>>>>> first:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Describe why you feel this dog is aggressive, what kinds of 
>>>>>>>>> situations
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> you seen in which this dog exhibited aggressive behavior?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then I'd  contact the person and just flat out ask, letting him 
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> you've heard reports that his dog has some issues with either
>>>>>>>>> aggression, or
>>>>>>>>> at the very least, making noise around other dogs, which is 
>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>> mistaken for aggression. I'd let him know that you are concerned 
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> riding in a closed vehicle with this dog and just want to know 
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> stand, not to criticize him or the dog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that's the fair way to handle it but whatever way you 
>>>>>>>>> choose,
>>>>>>>>> talking to the handler is going to have to be one of those 
>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>>>> evils.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>> Of Julie J.
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 12:28 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have another what would you do in this situation question.  I'm 
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> apologize in advance because my information is going to seem 
>>>>>>>>> cryptic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am attending an event with other blind people and some guide 
>>>>>>>>> dogs. I
>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>> riding to this event in a van with one of the other guide dogs.  I 
>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>> planning on taking Monty.  I have heard from more than one trusted
>>>>>>>>> source that the other guide dog is aggressive.   I do not know the
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> guide dog handler at all.  I do not know what program the dog is 
>>>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>>> Not going to this event is not an option.  getting there another 
>>>>>>>>> way is
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> extremely remote option that I'm looking into.  Even if I do find 
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> transportation I will be in a small hotel for the weekend where 
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> guide dog will also be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So what do I do?  I've thought about leaving Monty, but there 
>>>>>>>>> won't be
>>>>>>>>> anyone available to care for him.  I'd have to leave him at the 
>>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>>> sitter's
>>>>>>>>> place.  It also feels like leaving Monty is allowing the other 
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> to not
>>>>>>>>> take responsibility for his dog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there some obvious solution that I'm overlooking? I know you 
>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> awesome and will have great ideas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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