[nagdu] another what would you do question

Mon Apr 9 19:23:44 UTC 2012

That would be a good idea if you could talk to him and find out what is 
really up or come to an aggreement to stay out of each others way.  I guess 
I just feel strongly about others dictating where and what I can do just 
because they or there dog has issues!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question


> Robert,
>
> You are spot on correct.  The unknown is playing a huge part in my stress 
> about the situation.  I am working on getting a phone number for the 
> gentleman, but haven't heard back yet.
>
> Not going is of course an option, but it would be beyond ordinary rudeness 
> if I bailed at this point.  I am one of the speakers at the event.  The 
> agendas are already printed.  There is very little chance of finding 
> someone else to fill that spot.  It would also not help my reputation at 
> all.  I need to go.
>
> I could leave Monty and that is still on the table, although it is not 
> high on my list of options.
>
> Once I talk to  the other person, get a better understanding of the 
> situation and formulate a plan I'm comfortable with I'm sure I'll feel a 
> load better about the whole thing.
> Julie
>
>
>
> On 4/9/2012 11:01 AM, Robert Hooper wrote:
>> Julie:
>>
>> You acknowledge that trying to get that extra space and avoiding the 
>> handler are good ideas; you also said that accomplishing that in 
>> actuality would be difficult. Unfortunately, there may not be an easy 
>> solution to the problem, short of avoiding going to the event altogether. 
>> If you decide to go to the event, you might just have to take the risk of 
>> being in close proximity to an allegedly aggressive dog. The best you can 
>> do, as stated by others, is to control your dog and your environment as 
>> much as you can. Also, maybe the "unknown" is playing a large role in 
>> your anxiety? Have you directly contacted this individual yet? Maybe he 
>> can give more specifics about his dog's behavior that might make it 
>> easier for you to formulate a plan. You can still hope that he is a 
>> vigilant handler who is working on a solution (or has already engaged his 
>> dog in behavior modification training). Maybe this individual won't bring 
>> his dog, as a result of its aggressive tendencies. I think that if you 
>> knew more of the parameters, you would be in a better place for planning 
>> the operation. It seems as if your best bet for doing so is to contact 
>> the handler to find out the specifics of his dog's supposed 
>> aggression--does it attack and kill everything within a one mile 
>> radius--or does it growl when a dog gets in its face. It might only be 
>> aggressive in certain situations--a crowded area, when startled, or at 
>> night. Knowing these things would help you plan your activities and 
>> schedule and should fill in the gaps of "unknowns", which tend to cause 
>> the most anxiety. I hope this helps a bit.
>> Sincerely,
>> Robert Hooper
>> Hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu
>> The Ohio State University
>> 0653 Buckeye-Cuyahoga CT
>> 653 Cuyahoga Court
>> Columbus, Ohio 43210
>> (740) 856-8195
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:36 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] another what would you do question
>>
>> No, I wouldn't do anything if the growling occured without any other
>> behavior.   Well, I would probably give the dog some extra space, but I
>> wouldn't say anything to the person or report them to anyone.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2012 10:27 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I understand this, but would you call a training school or, for that 
>>> matter, animal control because  dog was growling? I can see that 
>>> something could happen quickly, but for me, if a dog is growling, I'm 
>>> just going to steer as clear of it as I can until I know what the drill 
>>> really is. I mean, I can see why the woman might have called animal 
>>> control or, in my, case, the school, because of what Fisher did. He 
>>> barked and growled and broke away, but experience has shown me that he 
>>> wanted to get to know the dog a little bit and then he's cool. If you 
>>> didn't know that dog, you might have thought he was mean. Unfortunately, 
>>> in the situation I faced, the woman did know me. We could have discussed 
>>> it, but instead she called the school and told them she thought I was 
>>> having trouble handling my dog. It still upsets me when I think about 
>>> it, but I could have understood her calling someone if she did not know 
>>> me. I was holding the dog's leash, but he's strong and I wasn't 
>>> expecting someone's pet to be at the convention in the hospitality room.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cindy,
>>>>
>>>> I agree.  Monty has an entire repertoire of sounds.  I know him and can 
>>>> interpret what the various sound effects mean, but if you don't know 
>>>> him you might think he's growling, when in actuality he is moaning 
>>>> piteously because his toy has rolled under the couch.  Even when he 
>>>> does what I'd call growling it doesn't mean he's vicious.  He growls at 
>>>> me just about daily.  He'll have a toy in his mouth and is wagging 
>>>> furiously.  It's obviously an invitation to play, but if you don't know 
>>>> dogs it could be scary.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/9/2012 10:02 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>>> Oh, I wo9uldn't report a dog if it growls. It depends on the other 
>>>>> signs of aggression. Growls don't always mean aggression so much. My 
>>>>> dog growls, he's not mean.
>>>>> CL
>>>>>
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