[nagdu] Tell the whole truth

Wed Apr 11 17:07:52 UTC 2012

 I feel like i'm not hopeless. i'm bary independent. with mya.
. smile…. . i feel like my school is a good school.
..
On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Marsha Drenth wrote:

> Now there is something to be said about that. Do all the schools care about
> what dogs they are putting out? I assume they do, why wouldn't they care? I
> mean we as blind people, are the helpless, stupid sort, that are not
> educated to what makes for a good school and what makes for a bad school.
> The guide dog schools are business of course, so the more helpless they make
> us, the more money they get. The more money they get, the more dogs they can
> put out, and perhaps the less the dog will be "good". I am not sure if this
> happens, but I am sure it does. 
> 
> Interesting branch of the discussion,
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Larry D. Keeler
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:52 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
> 
> I aggree Marsha!  But, in the interest of learning, it sure would be nice to
> 
> learn what school is still doing this!  Also, if the school is a good one, 
> maybe they don't realize what kind of dogs are coming out of they're 
> training program!  Or, maybe they don't care!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
> 
> 
>> Tracy,
>> 
>> I think a lot of us would like the same. The good and bad about a school 
>> to
>> be aired out. The problem with this is that, not all people can give good
>> and bad with out being defensive about it, thus being very emotional about
>> it. There are those guide dog users who are very very loyal to their 
>> school,
>> and will not admit that their school does any wrong.
>> 
>> I am going to keep an eye on this thread, as much as I would like to say
>> that we should talk about the bad and the good, I do not want this list to
>> become a bashing school list. So if we are going to discuss the good and
>> bad, people MUST be adults. I reserve the right to come in and stop this
>> thread at any point.
>> 
>> So discuss away...
>> Marsha, Moderator
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:32 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
>> 
>> Laurel, just as an example,  says she doesn't want to do school bashing,
>> and I think many people feel this way, but, if people only give the
>> positive parts of their experience with a school, and none of the
>> negatives, it doesn't give a true picture.  If I were looking for a
>> training program, I'd want to know about bad experiences, as well as good.
>> For example, if more than a few people from school X end up returning the
>> dog in less than 2 years, I'd want to know about that.  If several days of
>> training were spent hanging around the mall, I'd want to know that, too.
>> It was part of what I really liked about Gary's writing about his school
>> experience--he wrote about the annoying stuff, as well as the good.
>> I'm not interested in what happened to so-and-so 10 years ago.  I'm not
>> much interested in hearsay, either.  "A friend of a friend...", nah.
>> I understand the desire not to air dirty laundry in public; I really do.
>> But, in its darkest aspect, that's how abuse goes on--no one wants to say
>> anything about it. Not that I'm accusing any school of abusing students;
>> it's just one end of a continuum.
>> If someone has had a bad experience, I have no problem with them naming
>> names.  I don't think that's bashing; it's just letting other know so they
>> can make informed decisions.
>> And, if someone has something negative to say about my beloved school, I
>> promise to take a deep breath, not get defensive, and consider what
>> they've said.
>> JMHO.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
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