[nagdu] walking in to objects

Sat Apr 14 14:28:27 UTC 2012

 hi hanna,
 i think you should go back for training. and give princess time.
 that's what one of the servicws's pilot dog's get. but that's all my advice.
 good luck, and you are doing your best. wags, and hugs.

On Apr 14, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:

> Julie J, you covered all the possibilities well, but you missed human
> error.  Sometimes Ben is trying to lead me around something, but I am
> distracted, or don't believe him, and brush into something.  And sometimes
> he is doing his best, but there just isn't room.  If it's a stationary
> obstacle and there isn't room, he should stop, but it usually happens when
> we're working in a crowded situation, and a hole closes up faster than he
> anticipated.
> Often it is a canine error if I bump something, but I try to keep in mind
> that it might also be that I am not following properly.
> Tracy
> 
> 
>> Hannah,
>> 
>> Is she running you into the same things every couple of weeks?  If she's
>> making the same mistake over and over, I'd be more concerned than if it
>> is a new mistake.  Is the error a brush into something or a complete
>> full on contact with the object?  If she's brushing you into things
>> she's probably trying to get it right and just needs more practice.  If
>> it's the major full body contact, then there is a very serious issue
>> going on.  Perhaps she's distracted, didn't get enough training, is
>> experiencing visual problems or doesn't have the cognitive skills to be
>> able to judge clearance. It could also be that she is nervous or simply
>> isn't cut out to be a guide dog.  If a clearance issue every couple of
>> weeks is her sole issue then I'd also agree with your O&M person that it
>> will take time.  To me a mistake every couple of weeks in the beginning
>> wouldn't be concerning.
>> 
>> I've been working with Monty for over two years and he will still brush
>> me into things occasionally.  This time of year it is usually bushes or
>> tree branches that are growing or putting out leaves or whatever.  They
>> get bigger than they were through the winter.  I'm sure he's giving me
>> the same space that he has all winter instead of accounting for the new
>> growth.
>> 
>> I'm not big into collar corrections.  I will usually make a big deal out
>> of making contact with whatever it was.  If it's a tree branch I will
>> grab it and give it a good shake while telling Monty no.   If he's
>> having a particularly difficult day I will have him sit while I show him
>> the problem.  Then I rework the situation, giving loads of praise as we
>> go.
>> 
>> HTH
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/14/2012 12:48 AM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>> I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used to be a
>>> guide
>>> dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few things and told me,
>>> "it'll take time". I feel like running in to things should not be
>>> occurring
>>> every couple of weeks...
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>> 
>>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"<sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know that
>>>> Princess
>>>> shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't know what to do
>>>> any
>>>> more because I don't feel like correcting her is enough and that after
>>>> a
>>>> while she forgets about it altogether.
>>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we went on a
>>>> tour.
>>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as usually I
>>>> corrected
>>>> her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted about it, and
>>>> it's
>>>> getting more difficult for me to trust her. I don't feel safe walking
>>>> at
>>>> night or in the dark now, and it's a horrible feeling.
>>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>> 
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