[nagdu] an update on my friend

Jennifer Perdue jlperdue3 at gmail.com
Sat Apr 14 23:43:26 UTC 2012 

thanks for the information.  

I'm on the fence about whether I want to apply anywhere.  I applied to GDB, but I'm just letting it ride for now.  

I've got some health issues I want to deal with and I was honest with them and told them that so they said it would be OK for me to take care of myself first and that wouldn't shut the door on whether I was approved for a dog.  

I don't know though.  I don't know how I feel any more.

Jenny
On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This is incorrect.
> 
> Two things:
> 
> 1) If there's ghiardia going around, your dog will probably have pills to help with that. Leno had some when I got him.
> 
> 2) Even if that doesn't happen, which strikes me as unlikely, the Seeing Eye will reimburse vet costs beyond your normal wellness checkups for the first year you're with your dog. After that, should something arise, I understand they can make no interest loans for very expensive and necessary procedures. 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> thank you for that perspective.
>> 
>> the only thing that concerns me about that is I know people with dogs that came home with giardia and I don't think TSE helped them with the additional expenses that went along with it.  
>> 
>> I can't afford to get a dog that turns out to be unhealthy, which happened with Brooks by the way, and then be stuck with high medical bills and food expenses again.  
>> 
>> That's why I chose GDB.  They are willing to help out with things like that.
>> 
>> I'm not saying TSE isn't a good school, cause it is.  You just have to be able to afford what ever comes your way.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>> 
>>> I would just say, Jenny, that you are way more apt to hear about the health issues and things that went wrong with dogs from a school than those that went right. I had three dogs that were not good matches. I decided maybe I was not a good user. The guy who came out to work with me, a wise man indeed, said that sometimes he wonders about the dogs from there because he sees so many who are having problems, and then he has to "cry uncle" because he sees the ones with problems and not the ones that are happy, healthy relationships. I might be wrong, but I'd bet you could do a learned survey and discover that there is a considerable amount of health issue from each school. Dogs are live  beings; as such, they are subject to health issues the same as we are, and there are no guarantees. I am just saying that this wouldn't be the only thing you would want to look at. You want to look at how they come by their dogs and what they do about it if there is a health issue; how long does it take for them to make it right however they must. I wouldn't be closed minded about a school because you've heard they have a lot of health issues unless it is in the high percents. Just a thought you might think on.
>>> 
>>> CL
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Lyn,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't want to start a school war or to say anything negative about schools unduly.  But the other list I was on was wrought with dogs having health issues and psychological issues way too young.  That is the only reason I haven't applied there.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh I can't say that.  Southeastern found out really quickly when I applied there before they called me about Brooks, so it makes me nervous to apply there again.  Especially since I've seen so many problems with dogs from there from other lists.
>>>> 
>>>> I mean no disrespect.  I'm just stating what I've seen.
>>>> 
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>> I will tell you from personal experience that TSE will judge you as they see you.  They do not just see or hear what another school has said and automatically say NO.  They will give all qualified people a chance to prove themselves.  Just be real clear in what you want in a dog so they can make the best match for you.  They realize that problems people have with some previous schools can occur for any reason - bad chemestry between individuals, bad chemestry between handler and dog.  People change schools for all manner of reasons and is not unusual at all.  TSE is very fair.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wherever you go, I hope you have a better time with them.  I personally have my reasons for atending TSE and I strongly support my school, but I also respect people's decisions to attend the school they feel is best for them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Glad you are going to try again.  Like I said, don't let the jerks get you down.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:40 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you Lyn for those kind and wise words.  I am going to go forward with the application process at the school I've chosen.  I thought about TSE, but when I applied there before Southeastern quickly found out about it and that's when they manipulated me into going back there.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am afraid, frankly, of Southeastern putting a good old ugly spin on what happened and the Seeing Eye just saying Nope, not going to deal with that, cause I know they talk to each other.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyway, I've got some thing I want to take care of before i go back to school so I'm not in too much of a hurry.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It'll happen when it's meant to.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Welcome to the list.  I am Lyn with one n, and I am on my eighth guide dog. He is Landon, a six year old Lab/Golden cross from The Seeing Eye. I am 61 years old and live in San Diego.  I do pet assisted therapy with my dog and am active in my Democratic Party club.  I enjoy hanging out with friends, walking, reading, and many fun stuff.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't know you, do not belong to the list where people abused you, or know any more than what Laurel posted on this list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I can see how much hurt you have gotten because of your misfortune and I am so sorry about that.  I want you to know that what happened to you regarding your dogs, does and can happen to any of us.  When you deal with living beings there's no guarantees as to what will happen with said living beings. Don't beat yourself up over it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In the 1990s, I had some problems with dogs and other things that caused some schools to reject me and this didn't stop me from getting great guides. I went to Seeing Eye and they judge people on what they see for themselves. They come to interview each prospective student in person.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've been around guide dog users and guide dog schools since the early 1970s and they all vary.  I am sure you will find a school that meets your needs that will provide you a good dog.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Right now, take the time to take care of yourself and don't let the nasty folks get you down.  They are the ones with the problem - not you.  This behavior is part of "marginalized" behavior and I see it in many minority groups.  They feel that they can't attack the real enemy that oppresses them so they wind up attacking someone else that is "safe" - another one of their own.  In this case, a fellow blind guide dog user.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have been on this list for several years and I've not seen any real mean-spiritedness.  People will get hot at times in controversial topics and people have strong feelings but not meanness.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Enjoy the list and post as you feel like doing.  We are very diverse and wwe learn alot from each other.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:23 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am the person Loral is talking about.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You won't hear much from me on this list because I just retired my dog and with everything that has happened on the other list I'm just not going to open my mouth or heart about anything.  My heart is too broken and hurt to take that kind of stuff anymore.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My husband has one of the messages I was sent, but I deleted the second. I was not aware of the foul names or threats that were made against me until Loral let me know about the messages she was sent.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I just wanted you to know that I did subscribe to this list, but you won't see me post.  I'm frankly too hurt, fragile, and afraid to get retaliation from anyone else.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> thank you for your support and I'm interested to see what all of you have to write about your wonderful guides.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Tell her to save those nasty messages. Odds are these people are just being mean, but their words could be considered threatening and she may need proof of these messages.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:25 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Chantel, I know you have, but what you haven't seen is the private off
>>>>>>>>> list posts that people from there have sent her. And usually, the GDUI
>>>>>>>>> list is great, so please don't judge everybody on the list because of
>>>>>>>>> the actions of a few, but it's almost like the Southeastern guides and
>>>>>>>>> many people from that list are trying to drive her out of the guide
>>>>>>>>> dog community. In private posts that she has read to me and that she's
>>>>>>>>> fowarded to me, people have called her names like "female dog," you
>>>>>>>>> know what I mean, and all other names using cuss words. They have said
>>>>>>>>> that she doesn't ever deserve another dog, that they will report her
>>>>>>>>> to Southeastern, make sure her dog gets taken away from her, make sure
>>>>>>>>> she never gets a dog from another school again etc. It's just cruel.
>>>>>>>>> They said she was flaming Southeastern and etc. It goes on and on. I
>>>>>>>>> understand wanting to protect your school, but attaking somebody
>>>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>>>> Let's just let this be a reminder to us. We need to put ourselves in
>>>>>>>>> other people's shoes and think how we would want to be treated, and
>>>>>>>>> then treat people that way. We need to always remember, that even if
>>>>>>>>> we disagree with the person's actions, or things that they are saying,
>>>>>>>>> to treat them with love and respect. We need to realize that when
>>>>>>>>> people get angry, and make comments that they can't sthand a school,
>>>>>>>>> like she said about Southeastern, that they are hurting and angry and
>>>>>>>>> that us reacting out of hurt and anger can only serve to further cause
>>>>>>>>> more hurt.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Please everybody, remember this situation, pray for my friend, and
>>>>>>>>> treat others as you'd wanna be treated. If you are a Christian like
>>>>>>>>> me, then WWJD.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard who really appreciates the support here
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I am on the GDUI list and I've seen the posts! That's just plain sad and
>>>>>>>>>> wrong!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have an update on my friend.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> She's still trying to figure out where to place her guide. I was
>>>>>>>>>> disturbed to get a message on the phone saying that she's unsubscribed
>>>>>>>>>> from the GDUI list, that some of you might be on, and that she doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> wanna join this one anymore. In fact, she's given up on getting a
>>>>>>>>>> guide all together. Some people, namely from another list, not at all
>>>>>>>>>> from here, have said some very cruel and hurtful things to her either
>>>>>>>>>> list wide or privately and just put sault in her wounds. Other
>>>>>>>>>> southeastern grads have ganged up against her too. She's really
>>>>>>>>>> hurting and is really broken hearted, and I hurt for her. I'm sad that
>>>>>>>>>> because of other people's hurtful spiteful comments it's causing her
>>>>>>>>>> to just retreat and give up. I wanna repeat, nothing bad has been said
>>>>>>>>>> to her from anybody on this particular list, it's all another list
>>>>>>>>>> that we're part of. She called GDB and canceled her application. I'm
>>>>>>>>>> just so sad right now, I feel like there's noting I can do to help her
>>>>>>>>>> and I wish I could ease the pain somehow. I wish people would put
>>>>>>>>>> themselves in her shoes and think before they make personal attacks
>>>>>>>>>> and hurtful comments to or about her. I'm just sad, and I had to share
>>>>>>>>>> with somebody. Please pray for my friend.
>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>>>> 
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