[nagdu] walking in to objects

Sun Apr 15 16:59:44 UTC 2012

Lyn,
My trainer had to tell me to stop a couple of times but it was when we got
super close to the object and I would have gotten seriously hurt if he
hadn't said anything. I would then correct her and redo it.
I do have vision and I think it makes me walk a little faster during the day
time but I've been working with a blind fold.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Lyn Gwizdak
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects

Hannah,
Huh??? Trainer telling you to stop right before you hit something???  There
lies the problem.

At TSE, we were told about a guy who always accepted people grabbing his arm
when he and his dog approched a down curb.  This happened over and over over
a period of time. One day, there was nobody to grab the guy as he approached
the curb.  The dog just continued into the street and they were hit by a
car.  I think he just got hurt.

What happened is that over time, the dog realized that somebody was going to
do the dog's job of stopping so the dog just didn't do it anymore.  It
sounds to me like that trainer actually was teaching the dog that he would
always be there to yell at you to stop.  Thought bubble over dog's head: 
"Oh, I don't have to watch for objects and clear my person."

At TSE, the only time a trainer would phsycally stop a person was when
continuing would result in dire bodily harm.  This was usually done a bit
ahead of the problem and the trainer would yell, "Stop!" and the person
would just stop or tell their dog to "Halt" as some schools teach.

Hope the problem is resolveed very soon because once you lose trust in the
dog, it is hard to get it back.

Also, you mentioned about working in the dark or at night.  Do you have
vision that enables you to work the dog differently during the day time? 
This is something that all of us with some vision has to guard against -
myself included.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects

> If the trainer is yelling at you to stop before you run into things, then 
> how are you really correcting the problem? I grant you, I don't like 
> running into stuff, but if someone is telling you to stop and she is 
> stopping, then she isn't really aving the chance to make the mistake. So 
> how can you possibly hope to resolve it? Maybe I'm missing something here.
>
> CL
>
> On Apr 14, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>
>> Nicole,
>> My trainer usually yells at me to "stop" before Princess walks me in to
>> something. The rest of the people who have been telling me to "give it 
>> more
>> time" has not seen her do it though.
>> It seems like it's been happening every couple of weeks or so although 
>> it's
>> still pretty random.
>> We are bonding super well, and I know we will become a great team, 
>> however
>> I'm not sure what to do at this point because I don't know if this will 
>> ever
>> improve since the corrections don't seem to matter to her, and I don't 
>> want
>> to get seriously hurt at some point.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:35 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> Has this trainer seen Princess bump you into things? Have any of the 
>> people
>> who keep telling you to give it time seen Princess bump you into things? 
>> Is
>> this a somewhat predictable behavior, or does it just happen at random?
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>>
>>> Rhonda,
>>> I'm not sure that can happen because I'm so far from Ohio, but they 
>>> might
>>> let me go back to training. As I've mentioned before, I am working with 
>>> a
>>> professional dog trainer right now and I'm not sure what else a trainer
>>> from
>>> Pilot could do.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of rhonda cruz
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:05 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> i think you should ask or a trainer. to come out, and work with you,
>>> hanna,
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Juanita,
>>>> It only happened a couple of times during training. I believe that is
>>>> mostly due to walking the same rout over and over again when the dogs
>>>> were being trained. However, I want to travel and I can't have a dog
>>>> that will walk me in to things every new place I go.
>>>> Hugs, Hannah
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Juanita Herrera
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:19 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>> When I first got Anise, she had trouble clearing the right side so at
>>>> first I'd brush up against things, but correcting her firmly helped a
>>>> lot. Also, I only had Anise for 9 days before I went home. My
>>>> instructor said that if she didn't get better at clearing the right
>>>> side they would not send her home with me. I was terrified I might
>>>> have to go back to class. However, by the fifth day my instructor and
>>>> I began to notice significant improvement. They told me that they were
>>>> afraid I wasn't going to be able to take her home, but thankfully it
>>>> all worked out. My question is, if this was occurring during training,
>>>> why did they send her home? I mean, this can turn into a dangerous
>>> situation, and your life can be at potential risk.
>>>> Take Care,
>>>> Juanita
>>>>
>>>> On 4/13/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used to be a
>>>>> guide dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few things and
>>>>> told me, "it'll take time". I feel like running in to things should
>>>>> not be occurring every couple of weeks...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know that
>>>>>> Princess shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't know
>>>>>> what to do any more because I don't feel like correcting her is
>>>>>> enough and that after a while she forgets about it altogether.
>>>>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we went on a
>>> tour.
>>>>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as usually I
>>>>>> corrected her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted
>>>>>> about it, and it's getting more difficult for me to trust her. I
>>>>>> don't feel safe walking at night or in the dark now, and it's a
>>>>>> horrible
>>>> feeling.
>>>>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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