[nagdu] Brook's audition

Sun Apr 15 17:38:28 UTC 2012

Jennifer,
Hey, hopes that works out for Brooks!  Dogs are good judges of humans' 
charactor so if she likes the people from the vet's, then she'll do well 
with them.  So, yeah, hope they decide to take her.

You're not being callous at all about getting Brooks rehomed and you moving 
on in your life.  This will enable you to start fresh with a new dog.  Your 
first duty is to yourself.  Brooks will adjust to a new home.  She'll 
appreciate getting her bed, toys, and bowls.  This will make her transition 
to a new home easier for her.  She'll probably sulk for a day or so after 
she realizes that she's not going back to your place.  But dogs live in the 
present and this will pass for her.

Once Brooks is happily in her new home, you need to do what you need to do 
to make yourself emotionally ready to accept a new guide into your life.  I 
am on my eighth dog and had to retire a few of these early due to different 
things.  So, I've been there, done that.  It NEVER gets easier, no matter 
how many dogs you have to retire either early or in their old age.  But one 
must move on - you know the dog will! (grin!)

Good luck for Brooks.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:11 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Brook's audition

> Hi all,
>
> I got a call from someone who knew someone else that worked at my vet. 
> She asked if she and her fiance could come and see Brooks tonight.
>
> they came and Brooks took to them like a duck to water.  He even went on a 
> walk with them without hesitation.  He even went out the door before they 
> did.
>
> I hope they decide to take him because they had such a repour with them 
> from the beginning.
>
> They have to think about it though and get back to me.
>
> I don't think we'll have to do any transitioning with them as he really 
> took to them and didn't have a problem leaving with them.
>
> I know that he'll have a hard time when he realizes he's not coming home. 
> But if they take him, I'm giving them his bed and his kong that he likes 
> to get treats in.  I'll also give them his bowls as he refuses to drink 
> out of anything that isn't a bonafied  stainless steel doggy bowl.
>
> Pray they decide to take him.  I think they're good people and they have a 
> fenced in yard for him to run around in if he gets the urge.
>
> I know it may sound callis to you guys, but the quicker he can go to a new 
> home.  The faster I can get the grieving process started, and the let it 
> take it's proper course.  I would hopefully be able to be done grieving 
> his loss before I went to get another dog.
>
> If they decide not to take him though, someone from my doctor's office 
> today said that one of the office staff was looking for a dog but was on 
> vacation, so there's another option if this one falls through.
>
> Pray they give me an answer soon.
>
> The longer the anticipation of his leaving takes, the harder it is.  I 
> don't want to be close to him because of the pain I know will come when he 
> goes.
>
> Jenny
> On Apr 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>
>> Hey Marsha,
>> Sounds like you had the same experience with GDB as a friend of mine. 
>> There was nothing about any abusing a dog - she was going for her first 
>> dog.  GDB told her that she was "too busy and active for a dog".  My 
>> friend was a diabetes educator and she traveled around the country and 
>> sometimes abroad to give lectures on diabetes care.  She was a registered 
>> nurse - from her sighted days - and became a diabetes educator after 
>> blindness.  She was well known and respected in her field.  She was the 
>> manager of the Diabetes Program at a local hospital.  My friend got 
>> rejected by GDB and went to TSE and got a great dog that THRIVED on the 
>> very active life he lived with his mistress!  My friend is now retired 
>> and is working with her second dog and her life is more sane! LOL!
>>
>> I wonder why a school would tell a person that they are "too active" for 
>> a guide dog?  Isn't that what they want in an applicant - an active 
>> person who will use the dog?  I can see not accepting a person who never 
>> goes out and has no mobility skills or one who is so busy that they don't 
>> really want to make room in their life for a dog.  But someone like you 
>> or my friend?  I don't get it at all.
>>
>> Yes, I was rejected by GDB and GDA because both schools preferred to 
>> listen to unfound gossip spread by jealous people at my blind center. 
>> And yes, they are a decent school with well-trained dogs.  And I am very 
>> happy with TSE.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth" 
>> <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I had a bad experience with GDB. I got my first guide, heather from them 
>>> in
>>> 2004. At the time I had just lost my vision, and was married to my ex
>>> husband. My ex-husband and I divorced in 2007. In those 3 years there 
>>> were a
>>> lot of changes in my life and Heather's. We went from living in the burb 
>>> to
>>> the inner city, from being driven in a car to riding public 
>>> transportation,
>>> from being a stay at home mom. Walking my kids to and from school, 
>>> working
>>> the guide in the grocery store and other short trips, to a full time 
>>> student
>>> with a full time job. Those were the physical changes, the emotional 
>>> toll it
>>> took on both of us was tremendous. After three years, she had no desire 
>>> to
>>> work, she should have never been a guide. We had problems from the 
>>> start,
>>> but I didn't know better. GDB listened to my ex-husband, in that I 
>>> abused my
>>> Heather. I had to retire her, I could not take care of her, and so I was
>>> forced to return her. She was sent back, and I was never told, after 
>>> asking
>>> many times what happened to her. Yes folks they believed my ex-husband, 
>>> that
>>> I was abusing her. When I applied for a second guide, they said because 
>>> I
>>> had abused Heather they would not give me another pup. In addition, 
>>> because
>>> of my lifestyle, I was too busy and they did not have a dog who could 
>>> keep
>>> up with me. I never abused Heather, nor have I ever Emma, my current 
>>> guide.
>>> I applied to TSE, and was accepted, they knew what went on, and they 
>>> didn't
>>> have any issues with it.
>>>
>>> So because I had that issue, doesn't mean I think they are a bad school. 
>>> I
>>> even tell perspective guide dog users that the two best schools are GDB 
>>> and
>>> TSE. I tell them that because those are the two that I know any thing 
>>> about.
>>>
>>>
>>> So yes there are stories out there.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:38 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>
>>> Also, there seems to not be as many bad stories about GDB. Maybe we just
>>> have not heard about them. As I probably have said in previous threads, 
>>> I
>>> have never heard of a case where GDB denied ownership.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:10 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>
>>>
>>>> True. I told her about this and she also spoke with several GDB people
>>>> about it explicitly. She told me that she doesn't mind the waiting one
>>>> year to officially own the dog if it means that she can go to a school
>>>> that can work with her better, and treat her better than Southeastern.
>>>> She specifically discussed her situation with Southeastern with the
>>>> GDB staff, and told them about her needs for a dog, and because they
>>>> are willing to work with her and because she knows several handlers
>>>> from GDB she feels comfortable with it. Of course, if she changed her
>>>> mind it's ok too, but I think the biggest issue for her is just being
>>>> able to have a successful partnership and a school that will support
>>>> her.
>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>
>>>> On 4/12/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> You may want to explicitly remind her of the policy. I trust she can 
>>>>> make
>>>>> her own decisions, it just sounds like a bad option given her 
>>>>> experience.
>>>>> Remember, she had the same warm and fuzzy feelings about Southeastern 
>>>>> and
>>>>> now she is devistated by the actions she believes them to have taken.
>>>>>
>>>>> A surefire way to prevent this is to only look at schools that give
>>>>> ownership right away.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:58 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes she does, but GDB allows people to apply for ownership (for free)
>>>>> after they have been a team for 1 year. I own Stockard. /grins/ I
>>>>> think they do this just to make absolutely sure that if something goes
>>>>> wrong in the first feew months, they can do a dog swap or retrain. And
>>>>> that the person's not stuck with the dog if it doesn't work out.
>>>>> Usually, like 95% of the time, it's never an issue because the match
>>>>> is great! After a year of working with Stockard, I applied for
>>>>> ownership, the whole process took me all of 5 minutes, and she's my
>>>>> girl officially.
>>>>> I don't think Jenny, my friend, has a problem with that at all.
>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/12/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>        It's interesting that she chose GDB as they do not grant
>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>> upon graduation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does she know this?
>>>>>> GDB is a fine school. It just seems that given her experience, and 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> it has upset her, she'd go to a school that granted ownership upon
>>>>>> graduation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:44 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you so much. She isn't having problems with this particular
>>>>>> issue anymore because she does own the dog. She just needs to find a
>>>>>> place to "place" him. She called me earlier this evening and has
>>>>>> decided to move foward with GDB. A GDB person called her back and
>>>>>> spoke with her and so she's going to move foward with that, which is
>>>>>> good. Her biggest problem now is finding a home for Brooks, and
>>>>>> dealing with the grief, anger and pain and spiteful comments from
>>>>>> others, as I've said before. I'll pass this on to her, and she wants
>>>>>> me to tell you that she really appreciates the support, and because
>>>>>> she's moving foward and planning to get a guide again, she plans to
>>>>>> join the list either tomorrow or Friday.
>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Here is the Guide Dog Consumers' Bill of Rights attached.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:33 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you find the bill Marion?
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:32 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rebecca,
>>>>>>>>>   the Guide Dog Consumers' Bill of Rights addresses this issue. In
>>>>>>>>> Section 4, entitled "Confidentiality", it states,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a.       Individual consumers shall have the right to access any 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> of the information gathered or collected about them by the guide 
>>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>>> training program and contained in their files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:54 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can the NAGDU bill of rights address schools that share 
>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>> without sharing it with the person it concerns?
>>>>>>>>>> That seems wrong on so many levels.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:38 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>>   There is another element to this issue. I know there are 
>>>>>>>>>> programs
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> would have no issue retaliating against a consumer by giving a
>>>>>>>>>> negative
>>>>>>>>>> evaluation should a person apply to another program. Some 
>>>>>>>>>> programs
>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>> their records confidential even from the consumer, asserting the
>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>> is "privileged", belonging to the program, not the consumer. I
>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> is quite problematic and that information about an individual 
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> accessible by the individual about whom the information concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>   One way NAGDU is hoping to provide information about consumers'
>>>>>>>>>> experiences with training programs is through our
>>>>>>>>>> soon-to-be-released
>>>>>>>>>> Consumer Satisfaction Survey. This survey will allow consumers to
>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>> anonymous, confidential evaluations about their training programs
>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>> fear of retaliation. The survey questionnaire has been finalized 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> hoping it will be available online in the next month or so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>>>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>>>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>>> 813-626-2789
>>>>>>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:56 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tracy,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think a lot of us would like the same. The good and bad about 
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> be aired out. The problem with this is that, not all people can
>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>> and bad with out being defensive about it, thus being very
>>>>>>>>>>> emotional
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> it. There are those guide dog users who are very very loyal to
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>>>>> and will not admit that their school does any wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to keep an eye on this thread, as much as I would 
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>> that we should talk about the bad and the good, I do not want 
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> become a bashing school list. So if we are going to discuss the
>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> bad, people MUST be adults. I reserve the right to come in and 
>>>>>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> thread at any point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So discuss away...
>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha, Moderator
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:32 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel, just as an example,  says she doesn't want to do school
>>>>>>>>>>> bashing,
>>>>>>>>>>> and I think many people feel this way, but, if people only give 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> positive parts of their experience with a school, and none of 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> negatives, it doesn't give a true picture.  If I were looking 
>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>> training program, I'd want to know about bad experiences, as 
>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>>> For example, if more than a few people from school X end up
>>>>>>>>>>> returning
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> dog in less than 2 years, I'd want to know about that.  If 
>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> training were spent hanging around the mall, I'd want to know 
>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>> It was part of what I really liked about Gary's writing about 
>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>> experience--he wrote about the annoying stuff, as well as the 
>>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not interested in what happened to so-and-so 10 years ago. 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> much interested in hearsay, either.  "A friend of a friend...",
>>>>>>>>>>> nah.
>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the desire not to air dirty laundry in public; I
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>> But, in its darkest aspect, that's how abuse goes on--no one 
>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>> anything about it. Not that I'm accusing any school of abusing
>>>>>>>>>>> students;
>>>>>>>>>>> it's just one end of a continuum.
>>>>>>>>>>> If someone has had a bad experience, I have no problem with them
>>>>>>>>>>> naming
>>>>>>>>>>> names.  I don't think that's bashing; it's just letting other 
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> can make informed decisions.
>>>>>>>>>>> And, if someone has something negative to say about my beloved
>>>>>>>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> promise to take a deep breath, not get defensive, and consider 
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> they've said.
>>>>>>>>>>> JMHO.
>>>>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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