[nagdu] walking in to objects

Thu Apr 19 21:17:06 UTC 2012

Lisa,
Could you please explain further what you mean by "what's going on?". I'm
not sure I understand...

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Lisa belville
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects

Hmm, yeah, that would bother me.  could you get someone to give you verbal
information about what's happening without physically stopping you?

1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . . 
TOMORROW!!
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217 at frontier.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects

> Hannah,
> Huh??? Trainer telling you to stop right before you hit something??? 
> There lies the problem.
>
> At TSE, we were told about a guy who always accepted people grabbing his 
> arm when he and his dog approched a down curb.  This happened over and 
> over over a period of time. One day, there was nobody to grab the guy as 
> he approached the curb.  The dog just continued into the street and they 
> were hit by a car.  I think he just got hurt.
>
> What happened is that over time, the dog realized that somebody was going 
> to do the dog's job of stopping so the dog just didn't do it anymore.  It 
> sounds to me like that trainer actually was teaching the dog that he would

> always be there to yell at you to stop.  Thought bubble over dog's head: 
> "Oh, I don't have to watch for objects and clear my person."
>
> At TSE, the only time a trainer would phsycally stop a person was when 
> continuing would result in dire bodily harm.  This was usually done a bit 
> ahead of the problem and the trainer would yell, "Stop!" and the person 
> would just stop or tell their dog to "Halt" as some schools teach.
>
> Hope the problem is resolveed very soon because once you lose trust in the

> dog, it is hard to get it back.
>
> Also, you mentioned about working in the dark or at night.  Do you have 
> vision that enables you to work the dog differently during the day time? 
> This is something that all of us with some vision has to guard against - 
> myself included.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>
>
>> If the trainer is yelling at you to stop before you run into things, then

>> how are you really correcting the problem? I grant you, I don't like 
>> running into stuff, but if someone is telling you to stop and she is 
>> stopping, then she isn't really aving the chance to make the mistake. So 
>> how can you possibly hope to resolve it? Maybe I'm missing something 
>> here.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>> Nicole,
>>> My trainer usually yells at me to "stop" before Princess walks me in to
>>> something. The rest of the people who have been telling me to "give it 
>>> more
>>> time" has not seen her do it though.
>>> It seems like it's been happening every couple of weeks or so although 
>>> it's
>>> still pretty random.
>>> We are bonding super well, and I know we will become a great team, 
>>> however
>>> I'm not sure what to do at this point because I don't know if this will 
>>> ever
>>> improve since the corrections don't seem to matter to her, and I don't 
>>> want
>>> to get seriously hurt at some point.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:35 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> Has this trainer seen Princess bump you into things? Have any of the 
>>> people
>>> who keep telling you to give it time seen Princess bump you into things?

>>> Is
>>> this a somewhat predictable behavior, or does it just happen at random?
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rhonda,
>>>> I'm not sure that can happen because I'm so far from Ohio, but they 
>>>> might
>>>> let me go back to training. As I've mentioned before, I am working with

>>>> a
>>>> professional dog trainer right now and I'm not sure what else a trainer
>>>> from
>>>> Pilot could do.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of rhonda cruz
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:05 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>
>>>> i think you should ask or a trainer. to come out, and work with you,
>>>> hanna,
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Juanita,
>>>>> It only happened a couple of times during training. I believe that is
>>>>> mostly due to walking the same rout over and over again when the dogs
>>>>> were being trained. However, I want to travel and I can't have a dog
>>>>> that will walk me in to things every new place I go.
>>>>> Hugs, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Juanita Herrera
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:19 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>>> When I first got Anise, she had trouble clearing the right side so at
>>>>> first I'd brush up against things, but correcting her firmly helped a
>>>>> lot. Also, I only had Anise for 9 days before I went home. My
>>>>> instructor said that if she didn't get better at clearing the right
>>>>> side they would not send her home with me. I was terrified I might
>>>>> have to go back to class. However, by the fifth day my instructor and
>>>>> I began to notice significant improvement. They told me that they were
>>>>> afraid I wasn't going to be able to take her home, but thankfully it
>>>>> all worked out. My question is, if this was occurring during training,
>>>>> why did they send her home? I mean, this can turn into a dangerous
>>>> situation, and your life can be at potential risk.
>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>> Juanita
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/13/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used to be a
>>>>>> guide dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few things and
>>>>>> told me, "it'll take time". I feel like running in to things should
>>>>>> not be occurring every couple of weeks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know that
>>>>>>> Princess shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't know
>>>>>>> what to do any more because I don't feel like correcting her is
>>>>>>> enough and that after a while she forgets about it altogether.
>>>>>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we went on a
>>>> tour.
>>>>>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as usually I
>>>>>>> corrected her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted
>>>>>>> about it, and it's getting more difficult for me to trust her. I
>>>>>>> don't feel safe walking at night or in the dark now, and it's a
>>>>>>> horrible
>>>>> feeling.
>>>>>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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