[nagdu] walking in to objects

GARY STEEVES rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca
Thu Apr 19 23:13:32 UTC 2012 

Hi Hana:

When I was training with Bogart, a poodle, we had a couple of situations where he ran me into things. Partly it was because his trainer was quite a bit smaller than me. Bogart had to learn my clearance. Wehn we were home there were a couple of things he misjudged. One was the corner of a bus top bench (right in the knee, ouch!). Another was a tap jutting out from a building. When it is raining Bogart likes to hug buildings to try to avoid getting us wet. That one would have been hard to see but we did rework it once. I'm trying to honestly think if he does other things. There is the odd brushing of things but I equate  that mostly to me not following as well as  I should.

People are his issue. giving clearnace or, if we're behind  someone he will go up behind them and get me too close before he pulls out to pass which can have me stepping on them. Very embarrassing and if it is my girlfriend dangerous to my health. :)

Certainly call them. There is nothing better than talking to a person where they can hear how you feel. I had just called my school to see if my idea of dealing with bogart's habit of mounting dogs in  off leash dog parks was suitable. It is really embarassing when he does this and other people get annoyed. People think it is a sexual thing when I'm pretty sure it is just a dominant thing. Not good either. Of course, it's usually macho guys with their macho type of dogs that allow this to happen.

Good luck
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>

> I'm having trouble communicating with them it seems; at least 
> via email.
> Guess I'll have to call them now...
> The thing is, Princess is super smart and she knows when she is 
> being set up
> to do something; she does it well because she knows she'll get 
> lots of
> praises. I can't predict when she will walk me in to something, 
> and it seems
> to happen every two or so weeks. I can't seem to find any 
> pattern to this
> though, so my best guess is that she can't figure out how much 
> space to give
> so we can both go through safely.
> I am planning to do some pole work and give different contrasts 
> and see if
> there are certain things she cannot see.
> Thank you, Hannah
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf
> Of Lisa belville
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:03 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
> 
> Hmm, that is weird.  If I had the time and the correct 
> training support I'd
> have her work the polls in the familiar area until she was 
> working them in
> such a way that I wasn't being ran into them.  Then I'd 
> gradually introduce
> new areas with similar arrangements and be sure she treated 
> those areas in
> the same way.  Some dogs are better at generalizing than 
> others, but this
> would be like her stopping at a curb in one part of town and 
> blowing it in
> another.  Something that would annoy me, to be sure, which 
> is why I'd do as
> others suggest and get the school involved.  Having Ex 
> guide dog trainers is
> wonderful, but someone from Pilot needs to see what's happening, 
> if nothing
> else than to make a note in your file.
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done 
> . . . 
> TOMORROW!!
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
> 
> 
> > I'm willing to work things out in this working out process, 
> but I'm not
> > willing to have either of us get seriously hurt. She seems to 
> do this in
> > unfamiliar areas and that definitely is pretty bad because if 
> it's areas
> > that I know well, then I could keep teaching her and she'll 
> improve. The
> > thing is, I like to travel and explore places that are bnot 
> familiar and 
> > and
> > those are the times I walk in to something, it's usually a 
> pole. I don't
> > find anything unusual in places that Princess seems to have 
> trouble with.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Lisa belville
> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:16 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
> >
> > I know it sounds bad, but it is part of the working things out 
> process 
> > that
> > both the dog and the person will go through.  I'm not 
> trying to dismiss 
> > the
> > concerns at all, because I know how frustrating it is when you think
> > everything is fine and the dog does something unexpected like 
> that.  I 
> > agree
> > with others who suggest setting Princess up in your own 
> area.  Can you
> > arrange things so that they look as much like the troubled 
> area as 
> > possible?
> >
> > if she is only doing it in this one specific place, it might 
> not be her so
> > much as it is something odd looking about the place that she 
> doesn't like.
> > It could be a difference in the color and texture of the 
> concrete or
> > something else most of us clueless bipeds don't notice.
> >
> >
> > 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be 
> done . . .
> > TOMORROW!!
> > Lisa Belville
> > missktlab1217 at frontier.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'"> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
> >
> >
> >> Lisa,
> >> I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Every couple 
> of weeks is
> >> pretty bad... I understand that they are only dogs and they 
> have to have
> >> room to work with, but the times Princess walked me in to 
> something are
> >> when
> >> there is a lot of room, and a lot of the times she does it in 
> unfamiliar>> areas. Thank you for the suggestion, but I can't go 
> back to the places 
> >> she
> >> walked me in to things because those are areas I don't often 
> go to; for
> >> example a college I was visiting.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Lisa belville
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:56 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
> >>
> >> Well, every couple of weeks isn't really that bad.  Can 
> you arrange to
> >> come
> >> to the same place every day and rework it for a few minutes?
> >>
> >>
> >> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be 
> done . . .
> >> TOMORROW!!
> >> Lisa Belville
> >> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide 
> Dog Users'"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:48 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
> >>
> >>
> >>>I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used 
> to be a
> >>>guide
> >>> dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few things 
> and told me,
> >>> "it'll take time". I feel like running in to things should 
> not be
> >>> occurring
> >>> every couple of weeks...
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of Larry D. Keeler
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
> Dog Users
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
> >>>
> >>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide 
> Dog Users'"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hey all,
> >>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know 
> that 
> >>>> Princess
> >>>> shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't know 
> what to do
> >>>> any
> >>>> more because I don't feel like correcting her is enough and 
> that after 
> >>>> a
> >>>> while she forgets about it altogether.
> >>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we 
> went on a
> >>>> tour.
> >>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as 
> usually I
> >>>> corrected
> >>>> her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted 
> about it, and
> >>>> it's
> >>>> getting more difficult for me to trust her. I don't feel 
> safe walking 
> >>>> at
> >>>> night or in the dark now, and it's a horrible feeling.
> >>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
> >>>> Best, Hannah
> >>>>
> >>>>
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