[nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork and convention

[d m gina]

I am wondering if it is because folks can't afford to go to convention 
having nothing to do with the school they went to.
I used to be on both lists, so that would have been one more.
Glad all are working for you.
Keep up the swell work.

Original message:

> Good morning all:
> I have noticed over the years as being a graduate of GDF, that there 
> have been less and less graduates at convention. I also noticed on the 
> GDF List, and I am no longer on there, I just decided to much is to much.
> But I noticed that I was the only NAGDU member or NFB Member, I knew 
> Lisa was on here a few times, and Marilyn Tucci is on here now, etc, as 
> well as some others.  But I don't want to put foot in mouth here, but I 
> had mentioned this to our President before, President Gwizdala, that I 
> felt that the school was a lot GDUI and ACB then anything else. I know 
> schools are not supposed to be biased, but I felt that from the 
> beginning.  I have nothing against the other organization at all, I am 
> just a member of NFB and NAGDU, my choice!
> What does this have to do with losing paperwork, nothing.
> But with Convention only a few short months away, maybe this is 
> something that can be brought up at convention, when we have opened Q&A 
> with GDF.
> Also, I have noticed as well, that at conventions many of the schools 
> have an event for the graduates, GDF used to take it's grads to lunch 
> or anyone interested in learning more about GDF was invited.
> GDF hasn't done this since our last Convention in Dallas, when Nelson 
> and I were there in, 2008.
> JMO!
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>> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 02:19:56 -0700
>> From: rhondaprincess at gmail.com
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork

>> hello lisa.
>>  i think you should keep on speeking up. and makeing lots of nouise.
>>  that's the only way.
>>  to get what you want.
>>  i hope it all works out.
>>  *hugs* from rhonda.

>> On 4/20/12, melissa green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>> Lisa,
>>> Oh no, I was very outspoken about my process of going to GdF.
>>> In my case, I discovered that a certain staff member was losing the
>>> paperwork, the vidios, and sending e-mails that said things like you weren't
>>> accepted.
>>> When I did go to GDF, I found out that there was someone else that this had
>>> happened too as well.
>>> I also have a friend who got aproved for home training and it hasn't
>>> happened.  This staff member has told her that its because she wants a
>>> specific breed and that is why its taking so long, and that its her fault.
>>> Yet, I had the same experiences with the Seing eye.  Lost paper work, and
>>> staff members making the decisions that they think is the right one.
>>> I am glad that I have my girl from GDF.  I believe that grads of schools and
>>> others need to continue to speak out and to complain.  That is the only way
>>> that it can change.
>>> Blessings,
>>> Melissa and Pj
>>> The very least you can do in your life is figure out what you hope for. And
>>> the most you can do is live inside that hope. Not admire it from a distance
>>> but live right in it, under its roof.
>>> Facebook: Melissa R. Green
>>> Twitter: melissa5674
>>> windows messenger: graduate1531 at msn.com
>>> skype: lisssa5674

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lisa belville" <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork


>>>     Jewel, Oh, I'm sorry you're having this issue with the school.
>>> Unfortunately, this is a chronic issue with the GDF.  They admit it's an
>>> issue and say they're
>>> taking steps to fix it, but it's still happening, and not just to new
>>> applicants, but to returning grads.

>>> The training is good, but you still need to go through the same office if
>>> you want to talk to your trainer or fax a vet form.

>>> I used to be one of the biggest GDF cheerleaders out there; I helped run
>>> their Email list and was on their alumni council for a year.  I had these
>>> things happen to me, and I've known people who have had it happen to them.
>>> I don't really feel comfortable referring people to the GDF anymore because
>>> of it.  I get it: They are responsible for a huge amount of papers and
>>> Emails and faxes that come through there, but every guide dog school has to
>>> contend with Emails and faxes and paper work and they don't have these
>>> issues.  If I kept losing paperwork at my last job I would have been fired.

>>> As I said before, how a school handles confidential and time sensitive info,
>>> and how they respond to questions from frustrated applicants who need to
>>> send a medical report just one more time is just as important as the
>>> training and how you're encouraged to work with your dog.

>>> This is really heartbreaking for me, no kidding, because I've been
>>> affiliated with the GDF since 1995.  I got to try a GDF demo dog at the 95
>>> convention and that clenched it for me.  I've received two awesome dogs from
>>> the GDF, I know how good it can be, and I'd love to see it that good again.
>>> Yes, things change, but change doesn't mean it has to be done at the cost of
>>> time and stress on people who just want a well-trained dog to enrich their
>>> life and provide efficient mobility.

>>> I'd encourage other GDF grads on this list to speak out.  I know I'm not the
>>> only one to deal with these issues. Most people just put up with it or get
>>> frustrated and move on to another school.  Addressing it with school staff
>>> really hasn't helped because they claim these are just isolated incidents
>>> when they are most certainly not.

>>> Lisa

>>> 1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . .
>>> TOMORROW!!
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jewel" <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School Losing Paperwork


>>>> It's funny you mention GDF, Lisa, because that's the school I am
>>>> applying to who lost the paperwork. I didn't want to name names, but
>>>> you already pointed out the problem, so I feel it's okay for me to
>>>> point it out, too.
>>>> Is the poor paperwork organization, in your opinion, something that
>>>> affects the school's performance when it comes to training? To send
>>>> vet reports, do you scan them into your computer and then e-mail them,
>>>> or do you send them another way? What's the best way to deal with this
>>>> issue?

>>>> I've been impressed with GDF up to this point. I am concerned that
>>>> this will become a problem for me in the future, so am a little
>>>> hesitant about going to GDF now...but I really like their program.
>>>> Should I apply to another school? Or should I just learn to work
>>>> around the poor organization skills of the school?

>>>> Lisa, I'd love to hear about how you deal with this problem, and
>>>> whether you feel, knowing now what you do aobut paperwork problems and
>>>> the like, whether you would go back to GDF.

>>>> Thank you all for the comments so far; I remain concerned...

>>>> ~Jewel

>>>> On 4/19/12, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jewel.
>>>>> I'd be mighty annoyed if that happened to me, especially if they lost
>>>>> stuff I had to pay to get, like a medical report and an O&M report.  And,
>>>>> considering how much I had to bug my references to get it done, that
>>>>> would
>>>>> be annoying, too.
>>>>> I think Cindy's suggestion is a good one.  See if there's a supervisor
>>>>> who
>>>>> can open drawers and look behind the desk, I guess.  Sheesh! Pretty
>>>>> sloppy!
>>>>> Hope you can get it straightened out.
>>>>> Tracy

>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>> Has anyone experienced a guide dog school losing your paperwork? The
>>>>>> school I want to attend says they don't have my medical report, my O&M
>>>>>> report, and my references. I know for a fact that I sent the medical
>>>>>> report with the video that they do have (they watched it, so they do
>>>>>> have that), my O&M instructor says he sent his report, and all three
>>>>>> of my references said they sent their reference letters. On top of
>>>>>> this, when I had an interview, I was told the interview was the only
>>>>>> thing they didn't have in my files. The interviewer also made a second
>>>>>> video of me walking, and they can't find that, either. I've been
>>>>>> offered a spot in the July class, as long as all my paperwork goes
>>>>>> through and I'm accepted, but I *sent* all that stuff. Should I just
>>>>>> go get everything all over again, or should I hold them accountable
>>>>>> for the lost paperwork...and do what?

>>>>>> Concerned about the school's organization,
>>>>>> Jewel

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