[nagdu] Brook's audition

Mon Apr 23 11:01:20 UTC 2012

i will be praying.
 for you jenny.
*hugs* and wags:

On 4/22/12, Natalie <nrorrell at qwest.net> wrote:
> I'll be praying, Jenny.
> Best,
> Nat and Liam Joshua
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:11 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Brook's audition
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I got a call from someone who knew someone else that worked at my vet.
>> She asked if she and her fiance could come and see Brooks tonight.
>>
>> they came and Brooks took to them like a duck to water.  He even went on a
>>
>> walk with them without hesitation.  He even went out the door before they
>>
>> did.
>>
>> I hope they decide to take him because they had such a repour with them
>> from the beginning.
>>
>> They have to think about it though and get back to me.
>>
>> I don't think we'll have to do any transitioning with them as he really
>> took to them and didn't have a problem leaving with them.
>>
>> I know that he'll have a hard time when he realizes he's not coming home.
>>
>> But if they take him, I'm giving them his bed and his kong that he likes
>> to get treats in.  I'll also give them his bowls as he refuses to drink
>> out of anything that isn't a bonafied  stainless steel doggy bowl.
>>
>> Pray they decide to take him.  I think they're good people and they have a
>>
>> fenced in yard for him to run around in if he gets the urge.
>>
>> I know it may sound callis to you guys, but the quicker he can go to a new
>>
>> home.  The faster I can get the grieving process started, and the let it
>> take it's proper course.  I would hopefully be able to be done grieving
>> his loss before I went to get another dog.
>>
>> If they decide not to take him though, someone from my doctor's office
>> today said that one of the office staff was looking for a dog but was on
>> vacation, so there's another option if this one falls through.
>>
>> Pray they give me an answer soon.
>>
>> The longer the anticipation of his leaving takes, the harder it is.  I
>> don't want to be close to him because of the pain I know will come when he
>>
>> goes.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Marsha,
>>> Sounds like you had the same experience with GDB as a friend of mine.
>>> There was nothing about any abusing a dog - she was going for her first
>>> dog.  GDB told her that she was "too busy and active for a dog".  My
>>> friend was a diabetes educator and she traveled around the country and
>>> sometimes abroad to give lectures on diabetes care.  She was a registered
>>>
>>> nurse - from her sighted days - and became a diabetes educator after
>>> blindness.  She was well known and respected in her field.  She was the
>>> manager of the Diabetes Program at a local hospital.  My friend got
>>> rejected by GDB and went to TSE and got a great dog that THRIVED on the
>>> very active life he lived with his mistress!  My friend is now retired
>>> and is working with her second dog and her life is more sane! LOL!
>>>
>>> I wonder why a school would tell a person that they are "too active" for
>>>
>>> a guide dog?  Isn't that what they want in an applicant - an active
>>> person who will use the dog?  I can see not accepting a person who never
>>>
>>> goes out and has no mobility skills or one who is so busy that they don't
>>>
>>> really want to make room in their life for a dog.  But someone like you
>>> or my friend?  I don't get it at all.
>>>
>>> Yes, I was rejected by GDB and GDA because both schools preferred to
>>> listen to unfound gossip spread by jealous people at my blind center.
>>> And yes, they are a decent school with well-trained dogs.  And I am very
>>>
>>> happy with TSE.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth"
>>> <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I had a bad experience with GDB. I got my first guide, heather from them
>>>>
>>>> in
>>>> 2004. At the time I had just lost my vision, and was married to my ex
>>>> husband. My ex-husband and I divorced in 2007. In those 3 years there
>>>> were a
>>>> lot of changes in my life and Heather's. We went from living in the burb
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>> the inner city, from being driven in a car to riding public
>>>> transportation,
>>>> from being a stay at home mom. Walking my kids to and from school,
>>>> working
>>>> the guide in the grocery store and other short trips, to a full time
>>>> student
>>>> with a full time job. Those were the physical changes, the emotional
>>>> toll it
>>>> took on both of us was tremendous. After three years, she had no desire
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>> work, she should have never been a guide. We had problems from the
>>>> start,
>>>> but I didn't know better. GDB listened to my ex-husband, in that I
>>>> abused my
>>>> Heather. I had to retire her, I could not take care of her, and so I
>>>> was
>>>> forced to return her. She was sent back, and I was never told, after
>>>> asking
>>>> many times what happened to her. Yes folks they believed my ex-husband,
>>>>
>>>> that
>>>> I was abusing her. When I applied for a second guide, they said because
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> had abused Heather they would not give me another pup. In addition,
>>>> because
>>>> of my lifestyle, I was too busy and they did not have a dog who could
>>>> keep
>>>> up with me. I never abused Heather, nor have I ever Emma, my current
>>>> guide.
>>>> I applied to TSE, and was accepted, they knew what went on, and they
>>>> didn't
>>>> have any issues with it.
>>>>
>>>> So because I had that issue, doesn't mean I think they are a bad school.
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> even tell perspective guide dog users that the two best schools are GDB
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>> TSE. I tell them that because those are the two that I know any thing
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So yes there are stories out there.
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:38 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>
>>>> Also, there seems to not be as many bad stories about GDB. Maybe we
>>>> just
>>>> have not heard about them. As I probably have said in previous threads,
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> have never heard of a case where GDB denied ownership.
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:10 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> True. I told her about this and she also spoke with several GDB people
>>>>> about it explicitly. She told me that she doesn't mind the waiting one
>>>>> year to officially own the dog if it means that she can go to a school
>>>>> that can work with her better, and treat her better than Southeastern.
>>>>> She specifically discussed her situation with Southeastern with the
>>>>> GDB staff, and told them about her needs for a dog, and because they
>>>>> are willing to work with her and because she knows several handlers
>>>>> from GDB she feels comfortable with it. Of course, if she changed her
>>>>> mind it's ok too, but I think the biggest issue for her is just being
>>>>> able to have a successful partnership and a school that will support
>>>>> her.
>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/12/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> You may want to explicitly remind her of the policy. I trust she can
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> her own decisions, it just sounds like a bad option given her
>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>> Remember, she had the same warm and fuzzy feelings about Southeastern
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> now she is devistated by the actions she believes them to have taken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A surefire way to prevent this is to only look at schools that give
>>>>>> ownership right away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:58 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes she does, but GDB allows people to apply for ownership (for free)
>>>>>> after they have been a team for 1 year. I own Stockard. /grins/ I
>>>>>> think they do this just to make absolutely sure that if something
>>>>>> goes
>>>>>> wrong in the first feew months, they can do a dog swap or retrain.
>>>>>> And
>>>>>> that the person's not stuck with the dog if it doesn't work out.
>>>>>> Usually, like 95% of the time, it's never an issue because the match
>>>>>> is great! After a year of working with Stockard, I applied for
>>>>>> ownership, the whole process took me all of 5 minutes, and she's my
>>>>>> girl officially.
>>>>>> I don't think Jenny, my friend, has a problem with that at all.
>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/12/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>        It's interesting that she chose GDB as they do not grant
>>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>>> upon graduation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does she know this?
>>>>>>> GDB is a fine school. It just seems that given her experience, and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> it has upset her, she'd go to a school that granted ownership upon
>>>>>>> graduation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:44 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you so much. She isn't having problems with this particular
>>>>>>> issue anymore because she does own the dog. She just needs to find a
>>>>>>> place to "place" him. She called me earlier this evening and has
>>>>>>> decided to move foward with GDB. A GDB person called her back and
>>>>>>> spoke with her and so she's going to move foward with that, which is
>>>>>>> good. Her biggest problem now is finding a home for Brooks, and
>>>>>>> dealing with the grief, anger and pain and spiteful comments from
>>>>>>> others, as I've said before. I'll pass this on to her, and she wants
>>>>>>> me to tell you that she really appreciates the support, and because
>>>>>>> she's moving foward and planning to get a guide again, she plans to
>>>>>>> join the list either tomorrow or Friday.
>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here is the Guide Dog Consumers' Bill of Rights attached.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:33 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where do you find the bill Marion?
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rebecca,
>>>>>>>>>>   the Guide Dog Consumers' Bill of Rights addresses this issue.
>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>> Section 4, entitled "Confidentiality", it states,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a.       Individual consumers shall have the right to access any
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> of the information gathered or collected about them by the guide
>>>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>>>> training program and contained in their files.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:54 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can the NAGDU bill of rights address schools that share
>>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>>> without sharing it with the person it concerns?
>>>>>>>>>>> That seems wrong on so many levels.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:38 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>>>   There is another element to this issue. I know there are
>>>>>>>>>>> programs
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> would have no issue retaliating against a consumer by giving a
>>>>>>>>>>> negative
>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation should a person apply to another program. Some
>>>>>>>>>>> programs
>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>> their records confidential even from the consumer, asserting the
>>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>>> is "privileged", belonging to the program, not the consumer. I
>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> is quite problematic and that information about an individual
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> accessible by the individual about whom the information
>>>>>>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>>   One way NAGDU is hoping to provide information about
>>>>>>>>>>> consumers'
>>>>>>>>>>> experiences with training programs is through our
>>>>>>>>>>> soon-to-be-released
>>>>>>>>>>> Consumer Satisfaction Survey. This survey will allow consumers
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>>> anonymous, confidential evaluations about their training
>>>>>>>>>>> programs
>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> fear of retaliation. The survey questionnaire has been finalized
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> hoping it will be available online in the next month or so.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>>>>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>>>>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>>>> 813-626-2789
>>>>>>>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:56 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tracy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think a lot of us would like the same. The good and bad about
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be aired out. The problem with this is that, not all people can
>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>> and bad with out being defensive about it, thus being very
>>>>>>>>>>>> emotional
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> it. There are those guide dog users who are very very loyal to
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and will not admit that their school does any wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to keep an eye on this thread, as much as I would
>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>> that we should talk about the bad and the good, I do not want
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> become a bashing school list. So if we are going to discuss the
>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> bad, people MUST be adults. I reserve the right to come in and
>>>>>>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> thread at any point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So discuss away...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha, Moderator
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:32 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel, just as an example,  says she doesn't want to do school
>>>>>>>>>>>> bashing,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I think many people feel this way, but, if people only give
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> positive parts of their experience with a school, and none of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> negatives, it doesn't give a true picture.  If I were looking
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> training program, I'd want to know about bad experiences, as
>>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, if more than a few people from school X end up
>>>>>>>>>>>> returning
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> dog in less than 2 years, I'd want to know about that.  If
>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> training were spent hanging around the mall, I'd want to know
>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was part of what I really liked about Gary's writing about
>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience--he wrote about the annoying stuff, as well as the
>>>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not interested in what happened to so-and-so 10 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> much interested in hearsay, either.  "A friend of a friend...",
>>>>>>>>>>>> nah.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the desire not to air dirty laundry in public; I
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, in its darkest aspect, that's how abuse goes on--no one
>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything about it. Not that I'm accusing any school of abusing
>>>>>>>>>>>> students;
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's just one end of a continuum.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If someone has had a bad experience, I have no problem with
>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>> naming
>>>>>>>>>>>> names.  I don't think that's bashing; it's just letting other
>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> can make informed decisions.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And, if someone has something negative to say about my beloved
>>>>>>>>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> promise to take a deep breath, not get defensive, and consider
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> they've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>> JMHO.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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