[nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Tue Apr 24 16:00:34 UTC 2012 

Hi there,
I shared what happened to ask folks how to mentally handle the fact you 
have been with set school for years,
You have met persons that you knew for years, and suddendly you are 
gravy, you no longer are friends and that upsets me more than being 
denied another dog from set school.
We all put our hearts in working the dogs that are trained for us, 
knowing all about the dog, and believing in set school.
Then no matter the reason, the apple cart turns over, and you are left 
going wow.
I want to thank you for replying to me showing me that you do care 
enough to say I am sorry this happened.
It helps me see, you might think I am a person with feelings.
that I do care about what happens and I know as I move forward with 
another dog in the future I will give all I have to the new school as I 
did to gdf.
I did call school, and I felt honesty wasn't there.
I have tried to contact friends disreguarding the fact they work there, 
just saying hi.
Nothing, I know as we travel threw life, we meet so many persons, I 
want to feel I left some kind of impression or impackt on their lives.
that I wasn't just a number you throw away after number has been said.
I won't say much any more about this,
the persons know on this list from gdf I wrote personally because I 
felt and thought we were friends.
The dog doesn't matter to me what school it came from, what matters, is 
swell training and that the bonding is special between dog and set person.
I love people for who they are, not from where dog came from set school.
Thanks again for being so kind to me, and thanks again for sharing that 
you understood the hurt is bad, and i am trying hard to get over it so 
I can truly be excited for not just my new school, but the new dog that 
I will get.
I am still waiting to have the dog trained for me, and I am sure they 
will let me know when the time is rite.
Blessings always,

Original message:
> Dar,

> I don't think anyone would argue that what has happened with you and GDF
> isn't upsetting. As I also understand your reasoning for answers. But I am
> not sure that this list is the place for those answers. Nor do I think that
> the GDF staff will give you the answers your looking for here. This is
> between you and the school. I would recommend calling them directly so that
> they can answer your concerns. None of us have all the details, nor can say
> why this or that happened. I am not trying to be mean or rude. Like I said,
> I know this is upsetting, and I am sorry for that.

> Marsha, Moderator


> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:22 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions

> Are you aware that I was sent away because I was told I weighed to much?
> that they couldn't train me with a slower dog because of the vertigo?
> I feel the school is sending out two different messages ones for
> students who were there that they have all of these faults, and yet
> they want a service person to come to the school.
> I know that there are many who weigh more than I, and I also know that
> discrimination was truly done here.
> When they send you away the letter is quite disgusting.
> It isn't prefessional at all.
> I am also told that the dogs are becoming to soft and can't work the
> streets of New York for long periods of time.
> Now what is this all about, when the school is on long island?
> entertaining if you ask me.
> I understand you didn't, but I felt that it was time a person stood up
> for themselves on this list and shared what the beans happened and no
> one wanted to talk to me to either straighten out the problem,
> once they say no you are gravy and that is that.
> I could understand if I was hitting my dog over the head or anything
> like that where they wouldn't want to take me back, but to say it is
> because I am over weight is unreal.
> How do you learn to trust a school, when you feel all is fine, and you
> are working on a one to one to get a letter that was just unreal.
> Just my thoughts where it is hard for me to not trust much in what any
> school does.
> They want us to be straight but they sure took a turn or is it a corner?

> Original message:
>> HI Laurel,

>> Actually we do both.

>> We have a program called America's VetDogs which is a subsidiary
>> organization of the Guide Dog Foundation that provides service dogs for US
>> Military veterans. These dogs can also be guides if the veteran is legally
>> blind and otherwise qualifies for a guide dog.

>> Since we have taken on the service dog program, we have learned a great
> deal
>> about training dogs for tasks other than guiding so that if someone does
>> need additional tasks from a guide, we can consider that in their
> training.
>> Not all dogs can handle multiple tasks and there are only so many tasks a
>> dog can be taught to do for someone, guiding being probably the most
>> demanding in many ways.

>> Jenine Stanley
>> jeninems at wowway.com
>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Laurel
>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:37 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions

>> Hi Jeanine, sorry if I mispelled your name,

>> I have a question. You said that GDF graduates about 100 guide dogs, but
>> that they also graduate some other service dog type teams? What does that
>> mean? Do you all help people get dogs that do other things as well as
> guide
>> like guide dogs that work with people in wheel chairs? Or do you issue
> dogs
>> that aren't guides but perform other tasks like wheel chair, hearing, etc.
> I
>> know some schools work with people who need guides and wheel chair guides,
>> or the deaf blind etc, but I have never learned much about GDF's work in
>> this area so I am curious.
>> Thanks,
>> Laurel and Stockard

>> On 4/22/12, Jenine Stanley <jeninems at wowway.com> wrote:
>>> Julie,


>>> Let me give you a little more info on the exhibiting factors that lead
>>> to GDF decisions anyway regarding conventions.

>>> We have not had a booth at the ACB convention for many years. The
>>> primary reason is that their exhibit hall hours are much longer over a
>>> longer span of time than at NFB and we simply do not have the staff to
>>> man a booth and take part in the activities of the guide dog
>>> affiliate, GDUI, which demand volunteers from te schools to help with
>> various events.

>>> I'm the GDUI Program Chair this year so I can say things about them.
>>> <grin>

>>> We do, however, hope to have a booth at the NFB convention even though
>>> the cost is more, primarily because we like how the exhibit hall is
>>> organized and run and that this is an audience we have been neglecting
> for
>> some time.
>>> As you see from my earlier note, that's paid off in the number of
>>> people referred to us through NFB and NAGDU.

>>> I personally like the dedicated exhibit hall times at NFB as it gives
>>> me time to attend the NAGDU functions without having to worry about a
>>> booth and as I'm the one responsible for said booth, that matters a
>>> lot. <grin>

>>> The ACB exhibit hall is very crowded all week, which is fine but
>>> again, we find that we reach more people by walking around, talking to
>>> people, helping them with various things around the hotel, etc.

>>> We also have found fewer graduates attending ACB conventions,
>>> especially when held in western states. Some day this balance may
>>> swing again, but I really think that having different strategies for
>>> each type of convention, even the state ones, is important. As long as
>>> people know how and where to find us, That's what really matters.

>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:10 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF and NAGDU conventions

>>> I have been to both NFB and ACB national conventions.  At the NFB
>>> conventions I have been to there are generally a handful of the guide
>>> dog program reps there.  It is usually the larger schools, unless the
>>> convention is geographically very close to a smaller program's main
>>> offices.  When I was at the ACB national convention last year, I think
>>> there was a booth in the exhibit hall for just about every program
>>> available.  There were definitely many more than at the NFB conventions.

>>> So I asked myself why this might be?  On the surface it might look
>>> like there is more agreement with ACB so that's why more of the
>>> programs attend that convention.  But I don't think so.  I think a
>>> larger percentage of blind people at the ACB conventions are
>>> interested in working with a guide dog.  If you only have so many
>>> advertising dollars, it makes sense to use them where you are going to
> get
>> the most out of them.

>>> I've talked with a lot of program representatives over the years.  I
>>> can honestly say that what we talked about wasn't much different based
>>> on whether I was at one of the NFB conventions or the ACB convention I
>>> attended.   The guide dog program employees talk about dogs, dog
>>> training and what they have to offer.  After all the guide dog programs
>>> are businesses.   They are providing trained dogs to blind people, not
>>> entering into philosophical debates.

>>> Sure I do think that there are employees within the various guide dog
>>> programs that are NFB or ACB members and promote their personal
>>> beliefs purposefully or incidentally through their employment, but I
>>> do not think that any of the guide dog programs as a whole favors one
>>> organization over another.

>>> JMHO
>>> Julie



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