[nagdu] Steve new pup wasRE: Question about crossing streets

Sat Apr 28 23:00:28 UTC 2012

hi steve,
 i hope your class training goes well!

i remember class training.
 like it was yesterday,
 hugs. and wags.

On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> Good Luck at Leader. I do hope that we will all hear about the new pup? 
> 
> I am a bit envious, no more cane for you, getting a new pup, that *crossing
> fingers* will work out. And I am having such trouble with Emma *sigh* 
> 
> Keep us updated okay?
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:28 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope thisis guidedog
> related
> 
> Marsha,
> I wonder if it is that people are so accustomed to dogs, and that seeing a
> person with a white cane is kind of, well, unusual?  Kind of a desentizing
> so to speak as so many people have dogs, so many people use harnesses to
> walk their dogs, but when one sees a white cane, it really jumps out.  I
> think in my particular case, it was probably due to the fact that my skills
> were quite rusty, and people were observing that probably thinking I was
> going to do something stupid.  It is nice to know that people are concerned,
> and at the same time frustrating as I have good cane skills, and just needed
> to get them sharpened a little.  Nonetheless, I think your point and
> research are well taken and I couldn't agree more.  Now, onto Leader Dog for
> my new match on Tuesday:)  Goodbye cane for a while!
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:17 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guidedog
> related
> 
> Steve, 
> 
> I also find this to be true. Cane equals people wanting to help. Guide dog
> equals people pay attention to me because of the cute pup. 
> 
> In a funny thought, I wrote a paper lately about my observations of my
> environment, it was for sociology. And I explained in my paper, when I use
> my cane, I become invisible girl. When I have my guide dog, it's the pup,
> but not me. Crazy phenominom. 
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:58 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guidedog
> related
> 
> Hi Marilyn,
> 
> I absolutely believe this.  In fact, as I transition to a new guide, I am
> using a white cane in the meantime, and ironically, have had this exact
> concept really jump out at me.  In fact, I am offered more assistance when
> using the white cane than I have ever with a guide.
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of marilyn
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:42 AM
> To: nagdu
> Subject: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guide dog
> related
> 
> Hi All,
> yesterday I had a day off from work so I went to a library where  there was
> a guest speak there from the National Helen Keller Center who teaches
> mobility. He did a power point presentation and told us that when a blind or
> blind/deaf person tries crossing a street the driver pays more attention to
> a cane user than to a guide dog user. We were told they did some research in
> Maryland, Minnesota and I forgot the other state. They did suburbs and city.
> the man doing the presentation who can see and still drives a car did the
> research. he told us he has glaucoma. He said he dressed in regular street
> clothing , put dark glasses on and used a cane, then a flag and then held
> his hand up to stop traffic to cross.  
> They had a grant to do this study. I told him since every day I cross
> streets with my guide dog and have had close calls I would have been killed
> with a cane. My dog didn't go across until it was safe even if I give the
> forward command. I was told that a guide dog team was killed last year
> because the dog went forward and the person had a hearing problem besides
> being blind. I told him I cannot comment on what happened to this person
> because pedestrians who can see are hit by cars every day. 
> My question is do you think people who drive cars pay more attention to a
> cane user when your trying to cross a street or do people pay attention to a
> guide dog user?
> I asked why a study wasn't done about guide dog users crossing streets and
> was told there wasn't a grant for that study since more people use canes
> than dogs. 
> Marilyn and Anna
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