[nagdu] Guide dog use in countries other than the U.S.

Wed Aug 29 23:29:09 UTC 2012

 hi all. when i traveled to holland.
 my friend bianca, had to use her guide dog, and also keep her cane with her at all times.
 it is vary different there.
 there are pools in the middle of the sidewalks.
 and  it is a nice place to visit.

On Aug 29, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:

> Yes, it sure is ironic!  The idea may have started in Europe but the real deal took off in the U.S. with dorothy Eustis and Morris Frank.  When dorothy wrote that article in Saturday Evening Post about the German guide dog school, who knows what the reality of having a guide dog was there. the article talks about the school and training there but not any of the graduates who were living out in the real world post graduation with their dogs.  I've never read anything about how it really was and is for blind folks actually using dogs - coould be some are like in Sweden, China, Japan, or Russia where, I've read, don't have full access rights like the ADA gives us here.  I do think the situation is better for countries that are really influenced by the U.S. like Great Britain or Canada.
> 
> Hey, I changed the subject line to reflect this conversation.
> 
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
> 
> 
> Anybody find it irronic that the guide dog movement started in Europe and also regressed in Europe?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lyn Gwizdak
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:42 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
> 
> Hmmmmm, anyone know how to resurect Morris Frank and send him and Buddy to
> Sweden to straighten out those folks who don't see the benefit of blind
> folks having guide dogs! LOL!
> 
> Seriously, Buddy, you're right and it took the U.S. blind to organize to get
> what we have today.  the Swedes and other countries need to do the same
> thing in their countries.  they can look to the U.S. for guidance -
> something we didn't have in the 1920s.
> 
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
> 
> 
> Wow.
> 
> The law and the public didn't necessarily have our back in the 1930's, or,
> indeed, later. That shift happened gradually, and with no small amount of
> effort on the part of guide dog users and those who *did* have our
> collective backs. Why should it be any different for people in countries who
> aren't so far along this path as we now are? This stuff didn't happen
> overnight nor digit happen in a vacuum.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:13 PM, "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm wondering why you chose to get a dog given that the law and the public
>> don't have your back?
>> I get the fun of using a dog. But how fun is it if you can't take your dog
>> where you want?
>> I don't mean to be disrespectful, I'm truly curious.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Nadja Öberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:27 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>> 
>> 
>> BS"D
>> 
>> Dear Marsha,
>> 
>> Thank you very much! I thought that I'll say some more things about
>> myself, I'm 27 years old and I'm a student at the University of Dalarna.
>> I'm studying Literature right now but I'm not sure how my Bachelor of Art
>> will look in the end. I'm living at my twin sister's (and at mum's) right
>> now but I hope that Hera and I'll get a flat in Stockholm this autumn.
>> 
>> It isn't bad to be visually impaired in Sweden generally; we don't need to
>> pay our aids and such things but over 50 percent of us are un-employed.
>> This is because of the general view of blind people here, people think
>> that we can't do things and many of us think the same. It's really sad. I
>> love the positive philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind which
>> don't exist here.
>> 
>> The hardest thing for guide dog owners in Sweden is that discrimination
>> against us and our dogs isn't discrimination according to the law. The
>> allergic subjects have had a good lobby in Sweden which has resulted in a
>> negative view on pets at public places. We've an agreement with the
>> allergic subjects that we'll be able to use our dogs at public places but
>> they don't keep to it and the public often take their side because of
>> their good lobby and the non-existent discrimination law. When I go out I
>> need to think where I'll go and if they'll allow us to enter, it's not
>> funny and I'm the type of person who don't seek conflicts so I feel really
>> limited. Many guide dog owners here have started to think of emigration
>> because our politicians don't take this question seriously because of our
>> number.
>> 
>> LeSholom,
>> Nadja from Sweden
>> 
>> Page web : http://www.nadjaoberg.com
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