[nagdu] Guide dog use in countries other than the U.S.

Thu Aug 30 00:10:02 UTC 2012

Not trying to be mean or anything, but what is the point of having a
guide dog if they will be using their cane at all times?
Juanita and Anise

On 8/29/12, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:
>  hi all. when i traveled to holland.
>  my friend bianca, had to use her guide dog, and also keep her cane with her
> at all times.
>  it is vary different there.
>  there are pools in the middle of the sidewalks.
>  and  it is a nice place to visit.
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>
>> Yes, it sure is ironic!  The idea may have started in Europe but the real
>> deal took off in the U.S. with dorothy Eustis and Morris Frank.  When
>> dorothy wrote that article in Saturday Evening Post about the German guide
>> dog school, who knows what the reality of having a guide dog was there.
>> the article talks about the school and training there but not any of the
>> graduates who were living out in the real world post graduation with their
>> dogs.  I've never read anything about how it really was and is for blind
>> folks actually using dogs - coould be some are like in Sweden, China,
>> Japan, or Russia where, I've read, don't have full access rights like the
>> ADA gives us here.  I do think the situation is better for countries that
>> are really influenced by the U.S. like Great Britain or Canada.
>>
>> Hey, I changed the subject line to reflect this conversation.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>>
>>
>> Anybody find it irronic that the guide dog movement started in Europe and
>> also regressed in Europe?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Lyn Gwizdak
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:42 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>>
>> Hmmmmm, anyone know how to resurect Morris Frank and send him and Buddy
>> to
>> Sweden to straighten out those folks who don't see the benefit of blind
>> folks having guide dogs! LOL!
>>
>> Seriously, Buddy, you're right and it took the U.S. blind to organize to
>> get
>> what we have today.  the Swedes and other countries need to do the same
>> thing in their countries.  they can look to the U.S. for guidance -
>> something we didn't have in the 1920s.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>>
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> The law and the public didn't necessarily have our back in the 1930's,
>> or,
>> indeed, later. That shift happened gradually, and with no small amount of
>> effort on the part of guide dog users and those who *did* have our
>> collective backs. Why should it be any different for people in countries
>> who
>> aren't so far along this path as we now are? This stuff didn't happen
>> overnight nor digit happen in a vacuum.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:13 PM, "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm wondering why you chose to get a dog given that the law and the
>>> public
>>> don't have your back?
>>> I get the fun of using a dog. But how fun is it if you can't take your
>>> dog
>>> where you want?
>>> I don't mean to be disrespectful, I'm truly curious.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Nadja Öberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:27 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>>>
>>>
>>> BS"D
>>>
>>> Dear Marsha,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much! I thought that I'll say some more things about
>>> myself, I'm 27 years old and I'm a student at the University of Dalarna.
>>> I'm studying Literature right now but I'm not sure how my Bachelor of
>>> Art
>>> will look in the end. I'm living at my twin sister's (and at mum's)
>>> right
>>> now but I hope that Hera and I'll get a flat in Stockholm this autumn.
>>>
>>> It isn't bad to be visually impaired in Sweden generally; we don't need
>>> to
>>> pay our aids and such things but over 50 percent of us are un-employed.
>>> This is because of the general view of blind people here, people think
>>> that we can't do things and many of us think the same. It's really sad.
>>> I
>>> love the positive philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind
>>> which
>>> don't exist here.
>>>
>>> The hardest thing for guide dog owners in Sweden is that discrimination
>>> against us and our dogs isn't discrimination according to the law. The
>>> allergic subjects have had a good lobby in Sweden which has resulted in
>>> a
>>> negative view on pets at public places. We've an agreement with the
>>> allergic subjects that we'll be able to use our dogs at public places
>>> but
>>> they don't keep to it and the public often take their side because of
>>> their good lobby and the non-existent discrimination law. When I go out
>>> I
>>> need to think where I'll go and if they'll allow us to enter, it's not
>>> funny and I'm the type of person who don't seek conflicts so I feel
>>> really
>>> limited. Many guide dog owners here have started to think of emigration
>>> because our politicians don't take this question seriously because of
>>> our
>>> number.
>>>
>>> LeSholom,
>>> Nadja from Sweden
>>>
>>> Page web : http://www.nadjaoberg.com
>>>
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