[nagdu] Introduction and Questions
Lisa belville
missktlab1217 at frontier.com
Wed Feb 1 19:15:17 UTC 2012
Yes, exactly. it was such a relief to lose the rest of my vision. I loved
having that vision, but it's easier to just say Ya know, I can't see a
freaking thing than it is to try to explain to people or just try to pretend
I got what someone was describing to me.
Hey, guess what! guess what! guess what! Aww crap, I forgot!
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217 at frontier.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
> In that situation, I tell people to simply pretend that I have no vision.
> If my vision is temporarily working, and I can use it, cool, if not if
> people pretend that I have no vision to begin with, there is no confusion.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>
>
>> Yes, Julie, this is it exactly. And your examples would be useful to me.
>> The veague "I can't see right now but in five minutes it might be better"
>> would have me thinking
>> How much can you see right now? How does the amount impact me? What will
>> happen in five minutes that this might be better? How do you know this?
>> Is there anything I can do to make it better, since better is a value
>> judgment, and you've communicated by that phrase you're not happy with
>> the current conditions? After all nobody says "I have a cold, I sure
>> hope it gets worse" Is there something you can't do right now that you'd
>> like me to do or be aware of? How will five minutes change your
>> capabilities?
>>
>> That's what goes through my mind when someone brings up limited vision.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:19 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>>
>> Rebeka,
>>
>> I think I'm understanding what you are getting at. More than the level
>> of vision a person has or what they can do with it, it is how the
>> person communicates their needs and abilities that is problematic for
>> you. Is this right?
>>
>> So if I say that I am extremely light sensitive and won't be able to use
>> my vision at all when it is a clear sunny day, that would be more
>> helpful than saying I can't see right now, but in 5 minutes it might be
>> better. By explaining what the underlying issue is, I am making it
>> possible for you to predict what I might be able to do visually in a
>> given situation.
>>
>> I'm also getting your frustration with the view some people have with
>> level of vision as a predictor of competence. Like in your example of
>> seeing or hearing the car approaching at the street crossing. The
>> underlying assumption by the other person was that vision was more
>> useful or better or whatever than other skills like listening.
>>
>> I don't have any grand insights, but it's a good discussion.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/2012 10:52 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>> It's not that I don't believe someone, it's that the terms they use
>>> don't make sense.
>>> Add to that the flexible nature and a dash of attitude and you'd be
>>> frustrated too.
>>> It's like if you and I lived together and it was my duty to do the
>>> dishes. Not doing the dishes isn't an option for health and cleanliness
>>> reasons. When we start this arangement I tell you that "I can do the
>>> dishes, but I can only do them really well some of the time. Other
>>> times, I'll sort of do them, and then there are times whenI will just
>>> not do them at all. I won't tell you when these times will happen,
>>> that's up to you to know. I won't ask you politely to do the dishes
>>> when I can't, I just will leave them undone or partially done.
>>>
>>> The state of the dishes will impact the meal you make and you won't know
>>> in advance what state the dishes will be in. So you'd better hope I'm
>>> not having a day where I'm unable to wash the crock pot when you need it
>>> to make chili.
>>>
>>> Add to that that I convey to you that I kick ass when I do the dishes. I
>>> do them better then you ever thought about it. Never mind that some
>>> days I really need you to do the dishes, the days I don't, just stay the
>>> heck out of the kitchen until I'm done because you will only screw
>>> things up.
>>>
>>> It has nothing to do with what I believe. It is how I'm impacted and how
>>> my understanding or lack thereof impacts the interaction.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Doug Parisian
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 11:17 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>>>
>>> I really don't know how to ask these questions in a touchy-feely manner
>>> but
>>> here it is! What is so wrong about believing someone when they tell you
>>> about their visual situation? Why do so many folks assume they are
>>> lying
>>> about their needs? And, if you're really brave, and have reasonable
>>> communication skills, what is wrong with asking the person themselves?
>>>
>>> Sorry folks but this unfortunate nonsense burns me up at above middle
>>> sun
>>> temperature, and damn, I've been totally blind for 64 years. Next time
>>> you
>>> go to a doctor with an ailment such as a serious cut, break, infection,
>>> those jealous doubting Thomas folks should be sure that chosen doctor
>>> suffer
>>> from the same ailment. According to the logic expressed in this thread,
>>> that would seem an appropriate choice. Maybe some total blinks are
>>> simply
>>> jealous, blaming, and/or resentful.
>>>
>>> And now, lightening up a little, an acquaintance and I decided to take a
>>> two
>>> hour sailing tour on the golf of Florida; we both had dogs and he
>>> explained
>>> about his weird fluctuating vision, affected by damn near everything.
>>> One
>>> of the crew was a wonderful courteous young woman of mid twenties. As
>>> she
>>> walked around the gunwales of the boat to make adjustments, my buddy
>>> commented on her amazing legs. When I asked about the rest of her, he
>>> indicated he'd have either to wait for vision to improve/adjust, or for
>>> her
>>> to get back on deck, a spot 3 feet lower than where she was located.
>>>
>>> Sometimes life just ain't fair!
>>>
>>> Doug; If I offend anyone, please tell your friends!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have no vision. Nobody has ever explained to me the
>>>> differences
>>>> in visual acuity and what that may mean until this discussion.
>>>> For example, until I read Brenda's post, I had no clue that telling the
>>>> difference between grass and pavement was harder, because when you do
>>>> it
>>>> with acane, it's a piece of cake.
>>>>
>>>> I understand from reading these posts how lighting can affect vision.
>>>> I don't understand the stress or the "my vision changes from
>>>> day-to-day"
>>>> comments.
>>>> I simply haven't had them explained in a manner that makes sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> I've encountered people with partial vision in my guide dog classes who
>>>> can see a dime, in the next town, in the next county, and nobody ever
>>>> explained that they may not see a bus right in front of them. So I'm
>>>> left
>>>> with a WTF?? Reaction.
>>>>
>>>> Add to that the fuzzy language of "My vision changes from day to day"
>>>> and
>>>> I'm totally confused.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody has explained what the visual acuity numbers mean either. So
>>>> hearing those numbers without the tie-in to something tangible is Greek
>>>> to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> It would be useful to me when I encounter someone with partial vision
>>>> for
>>>> them to tell me what they need/want me to do, not what they can or
>>>> can't
>>>> see, how that changes. It's interesting to know, and I would like to
>>>> know
>>>> it, but practically speaking it means more to me if you say "I can't
>>>> see
>>>> the appropriate place to sit, can you take me to it"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Brenda
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:31 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>>>>
>>>> Well said Tami and marion.
>>>>
>>>> In addition, not only people with RP have trouble seeing. I have never
>>>> had depth perception and in fact have fallen down stairs. No one even
>>>> thought I needed a cane and I continued to survive in the sighted world
>>>> as a second class citizen.
>>>>
>>>> When I finally took the step to get some mobility training, the
>>>> instructor told me 'you have more vision than you realize' because I
>>>> could walk in a straight line. It was in the winter so I could tell
>>>> the
>>>> difference between snow and pavement. Now grass and pavement is a
>>>> little harder. I can see the confusion of a person with a drivers
>>>> licence using a guide dog, but perhaps there is more to it than that
>>>> and/or maybe they shouldn't even have had a license.
>>>>
>>>> It is very depressing that people with partial sight are slapped down
>>>> by
>>>> people with less visual acuity. Sometimes it is even people who have
>>>> been in my shoes who devalidate me and my needs. Maybe I can see well
>>>> one day and not another. Maybe Ican "see" in areas I travel alot as
>>>> long as there are no obstacles. Maybe it depends on the daylight,
>>>> sunlight, season and stress level.
>>>>
>>>> And if people with partial sight don't need guide dogs, maybe we don't
>>>> need to learnBraille either.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I'm learning Braille and am glad to hear GDF and other
>>>> schools are open to people with remaining vision based on the
>>>> individual
>>>> situation.
>>>>
>>>> I don't object to your concerns and question of people with partial
>>>> sight using guide dogs Robert. However, the way you went about it was
>>>> generalized and not very diplomatic.
>>>>
>>>> Brenda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> '
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/30/2012 5:44 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I have RP and have been legally blind since 1999. Had it not
>>>>> been for my spouse, whom I finally had to just divorce for several
>>>>> reasons, I would have applied for a guide then, once I learned cane
>>>>> travel, which I ended up having to learn on my own. However, by the
>>>>> numbers I did qualify. I needed a cane, thus I needed a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> The one program that I did follow through with, just to see what
>>>>> happened, decided somehow that I have really great vision and can read
>>>>> street signs. Therefore, I do not need a guide dog, according to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Um... First of all, that was certainly not true by 2006. Also, the
>>>>> ability to read street signs -- even if I had, in fact, possessed that
>>>>> ability -- seems to me pretty, um, something. Think about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still, I had decided by that point that I wasn't that interested in
>>>>> putting up with that sort of attitude, and some things in my life had
>>>>> changed. So I got a poodle puppy and trained her myself. She is now
>>>>> 5.5 and an excellent working guide. I do not think of her as
>>>>> self-trained but as owner-trained.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it is fair to say that for me and my guide, the percentage of
>>>>> program trained dogs over owner-trained dogs that cause problems for
>>>>> us is, well, one hundred percent. I have met and worked around other
>>>>> owner-trained dogs, but there has been zero problem because of either
>>>>> dog. Every guide dog that has caused difficulty with my owner-trained
>>>>> guide is program-trained by a certified trainer.
>>>>>
>>>>> When my dog was very young, she did have difficulty adjusting to being
>>>>> around other dogs, so she did cause problems. We worked on that and
>>>>> now she does not. The problems she had when she was young began at her
>>>>> first exposure to other working guides. A program-trained dog growled
>>>>> and lunged at her outside an elevator, then again in the elevator. A
>>>>> short while later, that same dog repeated the behavior because we were
>>>>> unable to avoid passing the pair. Another program-trained dog at that
>>>>> same short event brought his handler close enough that the man would
>>>>> have tripped over her if she hadn't jumped out of the way. He nearly
>>>>> tripped over me another time walking by where I was sitting.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, she was pretty uptight around other guides for quite a while, and
>>>>> it took a lot of work with her to keep her from being ruined, since I
>>>>> won't have a working guide that is that reactive to other guides. So
>>>>> those first program-trained guides we met nearly cost me all the
>>>>> training I'd put into my dog. They caused me and my owner-trained pup
>>>>> way more difficulty than any pet dog has. We made it through, and
>>>>> Mitzi is fine around other guide and service dogs now, but it took a
>>>>> lot of work for both of us to get there. For a long time, I thought we
>>>>> wouldn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> She has saved my life many times. Not anyone else did that by giving
>>>>> her to me already trained. Just her, following the training I gave her
>>>>> and her own brains and good judgment.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a partial, I hear all the time when it comes to resources of all
>>>>> types that my really great vision means I don't need whatever it is
>>>>> and that by just asking I am somehow taking it from "blind people who
>>>>> need it."
>>>>>
>>>>> This has cost me well into the 6 figures by now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have really great vision, not by any vision exam I have had
>>>>> really since before I crossed that magical numerical line that
>>>>> qualified me as legally blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds to me, though, like you think I shouldn't get a guide dog
>>>>> because I don't really need one. Or adaptive technology to return to
>>>>> my vocation, I suppose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anything else I don't deserve in your opinion? /evil grin/
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that it can be difficult to rectify differences. However,
>>>>> it was the guide dog program that told you you just wanted the dog for
>>>>> a pet. It was not a partial or an owner-trainer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/30/2012 01:46 PM, Harris.Robert at epamail.epa.gov wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Marion:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife has RP so I know all that. I can only say how I felt when a
>>>>>> school in 1980 or 1981 had the balls to tell me I wanted the dog as a
>>>>>> pet made me feel. I also think (I'm an old fox with a lot of years
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> experience now) that I saw a dog guide user with a day time drivers
>>>>>> license. I'm not buying any of that but I'm just me:0). When Pilot
>>>>>> took me on at 19 they basically saved my life. I'm a fast traveler
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> was a top notch cane user who taught others that were blind, but, I
>>>>>> went
>>>>>> to many many different places and knew in my heart that I needed four
>>>>>> legged help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can tell you many instances where "self trained dogs caused me a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of problems, but, I think it is possible to train your own dog, if
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> a certified trainer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala"<blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>> Dog Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Date: 01/30/2012 03:16 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>>>>>> Sent by: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>> Individuals with retinitis pigmentosa may have fairly good
>>>>>> acuity
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> their fields of vision may be seriously compromised. narrow fields of
>>>>>> vision
>>>>>> can distort depth perception so that individuals may not realize they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> standing at the top of a flight of stairs or at the threshhold of a
>>>>>> loading
>>>>>> dock. Furthermore, since the periphery of the retina contains a high
>>>>>> concentration of rods cells that are responsible for sight in dimly
>>>>>> lit
>>>>>> areas and the ability to see moving objects, those affected by this
>>>>>> condition benefit from using a dog to travel safely under those
>>>>>> conditions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From:<Harris.Robert at epamail.epa.gov>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:30 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure why somebody with very high vision would need a dog
>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>> and have said so in school. Somebody and bodies were in training
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> me and could see faces, identify cars and see the surrounding area
>>>>>>> pretty clearly for well over 50 yards? I'm an honest person and
>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>> hesitate to ask why the hell they were getting a dog. Answers off
>>>>>> list
>>>>>>> only but I was not happy& hope they didn't get a dog guide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are waiting lists for people who are very low partials&/or
>>>>>>> totally blind to get a dog guide so its not just a cut and dry "get
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> dog". there is a evaluation& process for reasons mentioned above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope I don't come across as brash but I have very strong feelings
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> this topic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler"<lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>> Dog Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Date: 01/30/2012 12:58 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>>>>>>> Sent by: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good choice! For me it was a case of the more the merrier!.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Melissa Pasron"<fuzzylucky2021 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:47 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for giving me a different perspective. I am really trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> weigh the options before I make a decision. My current deciding
>>>>>> factor
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> that I currently have a pet dog and I don't know if I'll be ready
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> all the grooming and caring for two dogs. Not to mention if a guide
>>>>>>> dog is
>>>>>>>> right for me at the current moment. I think I'll just sit on the
>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> a while and think about it. I don't want to go rushing into a
>>>>>> decision
>>>>>>>> without giving it a lot of thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:37 AM, "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>>>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In making your decision, think about what you most want to do when
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> return home from being out someplace. Do you want to spend time
>>>>>>> grooming
>>>>>>>>> and caring for a dog, and doing it every single day, or would you
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>> do something else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I worked two dogs. Then I had my daughter and found that all I
>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> do was hang out with her, especially after being at work all day.
>>>>>>> Taking
>>>>>>>>> care of the dog became more of a chore then something I enjoyed.
>>>>>> And,
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> times it became very difficult to balance, baby wanted to eat or
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> held,
>>>>>>>>> dog needed to be brushed, you can't do both at the same time. And,
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>> an obvious answer may be "get help with the baby" I enjoyed and
>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> enjoy taking care of her.
>>>>>>>>> Think about how you'll feel when the dog wakes you up to go potty,
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> you be okay with it or will it mentally wear you out as "one more
>>>>>>> thing I
>>>>>>>>> have to do".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What are your hobbies and are they comptible with a guide dog? You
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> always leave a cane, and a cane is easy to replace. Not true with
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>>>>> I have had a couple access issues. I can tell you that when that
>>>>>>> happens,
>>>>>>>>> the very first thought that goes through your head is "This really
>>>>>>> f***s
>>>>>>>>> up my plans".
>>>>>>>>> I'll add that I like dogs. They are neat animals, and I think have
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> to teach us. At times I miss having one. On a day when the sun
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> shinging, and it's 65 degrees, I'd love to take a guide dog and
>>>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>>>> bike path, as the feeling of you being in synch with a dog is
>>>>>>> amazing.
>>>>>>>>> Right now, I can't deal with the 24/7 nature of a guide dog. I
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> it with a pet dog either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can bring a guide dog anywhere, but you also need to plan on
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> with food, water, rest, appropriate supervision, things like that.
>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>> difficult to "just stay a bit longer" when you didn't plan on it
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> don't have food for your dog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, the answer is that it really depends. I offer my perspective
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>> this list is made up of people who are currently using dogs and
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> doing it. It would be useful for you and others to have a
>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> perspective.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of melissa padron
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 10:35 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am new to this list so I though I would just start off with an
>>>>>>>>> introduction and then some questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, first of all, my name is Melissa and although I am not a
>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>>> user I am a cane user. I'm in college pursuing a degree in
>>>>>> psychology
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> I will be moving back to my hometown once I graduate. I'm
>>>>>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>> legally blind, so I do have vision.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because of the condition I have, I was not taught to use a cane
>>>>>> until
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> senior year of high school. I actually had to fight in order to
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>> lessons, but since then, I just about take my cane everywhere with
>>>>>>> me. It
>>>>>>>>> helps a lot more than using my vision and stressing my eyes....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, some questions:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not considering getting a guide dog now but I do want to keep
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> an option if I decide that it would help me in my travels. So my
>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>> is, what was ultimately you deciding factor in getting a guide
>>>>>>>>> dog?
>>>>>>>>> What are some advantages and disadvantages in using a guide dog?
>>>>>>>>> For those of you who have vision, did you encounter problems with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> guide dog schools saying that a guide dog would not benefit you
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>> you have "too much" vision?
>>>>>>>>> Ultimately, this is my greatest fear. I'm scared of encountering
>>>>>>>>> criticism by guide dog schools and "blindness professionals" about
>>>>>>>>> whether a guide dog would benefit me or not. A lot of people with
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> condition function well without a cane or a dog so would this be
>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>> against me if I were to apply?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am looking forward to hearing your responses and advice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Melissa
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