[nagdu] No mailRe: partial vision, white canes and guide dog use

Marion Gwizdala blind411 at verizon.net
Wed Feb 1 22:01:01 UTC 2012 

Julie & Dan,
    There is an option to disable sending of messages from an NFBNET list or 
lists. You can go into any of your lists, choose "Disable" and also choose 
"Set globally" if you want to disable all your lists together, provided they 
all use the same email address. HTH!

Fraternally yours,
Marion



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] No mailRe: partial vision, white canes and guide dog 
use


> Dan,
>
> There isn't a no mail option, like what Yahoo groups has.  You will need 
> to choose daily digest, regular individual messages or unsubscribe and 
> resubscribe when you get back.  To unsubscribe go to the bottom of this 
> message and look for the unsubscribe link.  Press enter on it or whatever 
> you do to activate a link.  I'm remembering when you get to the web page 
> there is a confirmation button to press.  That's it.
>
> Happy travels, hope to hear from you when you get back!
> Julie
> On 1/31/2012 1:50 PM, Dan Weiner wrote:
>> Hey,
>> , sorry to clutter the list with this, but I don't know how to put my
>> subscription on nomail and I need to do it because I'm going out of town.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for all the help  and I wish you all the best on this
>> beautiful Tuesday.
>>
>> Dan and the Carter Dog
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:16 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: No mailRe: [nagdu] partial vision, white canes and guide dog use
>>
>> Pretty much (in many areas anyway) all are taught the cane to a greater 
>> or
>> lesser degree. At least that seems to be my observation.
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Julie J,
>>> I am one of those people who has some vision - enough to be dangerous!
>> LOL! During the 1950s and 60s, those of us with some vision weren't 
>> taught
>> Braille or mobility with a white cane.  The TOTALS weren't even taught 
>> how
>> to use a cane!  But they did get Braille.  Is this still the case now?
>>> My vision is tunnel vision and in good light, I can see fairly decently
>> through that tiny straw-sized field.  Obviously I miss a hell of alot!  I
>> also can't tell steps or curbs by vision but can sometimes use shadows to
>> tell steps or curbs - mainly in places I know.  I have no night vision at
>> all.
>>> I feel more relaxed using my dog over the cane; although I can do fine
>> with the cane.  With the dog, Landon sees the important things for safe
>> travel while I can use my vision to see some landmarks or to look at
>> something other than my feet and where I'm putting them.  Walking 
>> straight
>> upright with head up is better and won't attract the people who would 
>> want
>> to bother you on the street.  They look for inattentive people with their
>> heads looking down to pester.
>>> As far as Braille goes, I've tried to learn it a few times as an adult. 
>>> I
>> find that I don't have the sensitivity in my fingers to decern the dots
>> properly.  I can still read most print with my magnifying glasses and am 
>> so
>> happy about that so I can read the LGBT books I want as well as the other
>> political ones I find that NLS for the Blind wouldn't touch with a ten 
>> foot
>> pole! LOL!
>>> When I took cane travel lessons in the 1970s, I took it under blindfold
>> and I fouond this VERY useful and am glad the NFB centers teach this that
>> way. You really do pick up on stuff that vision tends to overpower.  Like
>> the fact that roads slope slightly as you leave the curb, cross and 
>> approach
>> the opposite curb with the street at a hump at the center of the 
>> crossing.
>>> I make my dogs go to the curbs and work as if I had no sight so he works
>> just as well at night when I have no vision with the exception of the
>> traffic signals and streetlights and the lighted signs on businesses.
>> Everything else is black.  But landon sees quite well in light or dark.
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J."<julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction and Questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Robert,
>>>>
>>>> I think that any blind person who wishes to improve their skills, 
>>>> options
>> and to better themselves should be given that opportunity.  By blind 
>> person,
>> I mean any individual whose vision is so impaired that it requires use of
>> alternative techniques of daily living.
>>>> There are loads of blind people that are told they have enough vision 
>>>> to
>> read standard print.  It doesn't seem to matter if they can only read 
>> that
>> standard print in certain light sources, or in certain color combination, 
>> at
>> the rate of 10 words per minute or for only 10 minutes at a time.  They 
>> are
>> encouraged to use their vision at the expense of all else.  It doesn't 
>> seem
>> to matter that Braille would be faster, less stressful and doesn't cause
>> headaches.
>>>> The same goes for orientation and mobility.  Lots of blind people are
>> coached to only use a cane in certain situations or not at all, relying 
>> on
>> their vision.  It doesn't seem to be a problem if these same individuals
>> can't go out after dark because of their particular visual condition.  Or
>> perhaps they have to stop in the doorway of the movie theater for a few
>> minutes so their eyes can adjust.  The people behind them won't mind, I'm
>> sure.  It won't be stressful or embarrassing to be trying to follow 
>> someone
>> and miss stepping over a curb because all their available vision was 
>> being
>> used in the other task.    I'm sure it's perfectly acceptable to be
>> continually scanning the environment for obstacles, nervous that you will
>> miss something.
>>>> I used to be one of these people.  Most of my remaining vision is gone
>> now, but I very clearly remember the days when accepting an invitation to 
>> a
>> friend's home, out to dinner or a movie was contingent on a long list of
>> things...what time of the day would it be when the movie is over, are 
>> there
>> steps, have I been there before, do I already know what's on the menu and 
>> on
>> and on.   My life dramatically improved when I got my first cane and 
>> learned
>> Braille as an adult.  Suddenly I didn't have to have an anxiety induced
>> meltdown when I needed to take a night class at college. I could go to
>> restaurants that I hadn't been to before.  I could actually read the 
>> notes I
>> had taken in class.
>>>> I also believe that both a long white cane and a guide dog are equally
>> respectable mobility options.  Both offer blind people the ability to 
>> move
>> about their environment safely and conveniently.  Both have advantages 
>> and
>> disadvantages.  I don't believe that one is better than the other.  Of
>> course individuals have their preferences, but to say that chocolate is
>> better and everyone must give up strawberry is pretty judgmental and I 
>> think
>> should be avoided.
>>>> Why then would we want to take away an opportunity for some blind 
>>>> people?
>> It seems that the answer to this question can only be answered in one 
>> way.
>> We must view people with less vision as less capable and the guide dog as 
>> a
>> superior mobility tool, making it the preferred method of mobility for 
>> the
>> lower functioning among us.
>>>> I don't think vision has anything to do with the potential of an
>> individual.  I think attitude and knowledge are the factors that 
>> determine
>> success in this world.
>>>> I'd love to hear others thoughts on this issue, level of vision and 
>>>> using
>> a guide dog.
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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