[nagdu] Accurate Information from the TSARe: GDB and Airports Re: Removing Harness and LeashforSecurityRe:flyingwithPrincess for the first time
Buddy Brannan
buddy at brannan.name
Fri Feb 3 22:43:53 UTC 2012
Bobby,
With respect, whether or not your dog is wearing any specific working equipment has absolutely no bearing on who bears what responsibility for said dog being out of control and injuring someone. Working equipment does not a working service dog make. The key thing here is that a dog must have specific task training. Such training is what makes the dog a service dog. Regardless of this status, if a service dog, no matter how well trained, somehow is out of control and bites someone, guess who's responsible? Remember, our rights to be accompanied by a service dog are not absolute. I think Marion's information here is accurate, and the arguments about whether or what equipment the dog should be wearing are not relevant to the issue. Having said that, no, a dog's working equipment cannot be removed by screening staff, but doing so is at the discretion of the handler. Regardless, the actions of our dogs are at all times our responsibility, working equipment or not.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Robert Harris wrote:
> Again my signature is bobby. I can't change it on the list subscription
> & I can't figure out how to shut off messages for a few days.
>
> If the person who's dog bites someone has nothing then guess who is
> liable?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: 02/03/2012 04:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accurate Information from the TSARe: GDB and
> Airports Re: Removing Harness and
> LeashforSecurityRe:flyingwithPrincess for the first time
> Sent by: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>
>
>
> Robert,
> Yes, you could certainly do all of that and you would be libel for
> the
> damages and injuries. All I am doing is conveying accurate information
> about
> the Air Carrier Access Act and the policies of the TSA. Please don't
> shoot
> the mesanger, but documentation and the wearing of special gear is not
> required under either the ADA or the ACAA. The TSA cannot make policies
> that
> violate the law.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> 813-626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Harris" <Harris.Robert at epamail.epa.gov>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accurate Information from the TSARe: GDB and
> Airports
> Re: Removing Harness and LeashforSecurityRe:flyingwithPrincess for the
> first
> time
>
>
>> What about the FAA Marion: and who is responsible if that dog bites or
>> damages somebody/something? The way you say it, I could drive to the
>> airport, stop at a pound, grab myself a nice looking any kind dog and
> go
>> jump on a plane, no shots, no service dog proof until the dog goes
> nuts
>> and somebody is hurt, then what?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: 02/03/2012 04:02 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Accurate Information from the TSARe: GDB and
>> Airports Re: Removing Harness and
>> LeashforSecurityRe:flyingwithPrincess for the first time
>> Sent by: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>> I read the message that was copied to the list from TSA Cares. This
>> message states, "the dog should be
>> wearing gear (a
>> harness, vest, etc.) to indicate that it is a service animal." I
>> contacted
>> my colleague who spoke to the NAGDU Seminar at last year's meeting,
>> Jeremy
>> Buzzell, Senior Policy Advisor for TSA's Office of Disability Policy &
>> Outreach, who advised me that this message is not completely
> accurate.
>>
>> This statement seems to indicate that the wearing of a harness or some
>> other
>> specific gear to indicate it is a service animal is a requirement of
> the
>>
>> TSA. Though the TSA recommends that the service dog wear a harness or
>> some
>> other identification, it is not required nor a prerequisite for
> access.
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> 813-626-2789
>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Harris" <Harris.Robert at epamail.epa.gov>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB and Airports Re: Removing Harness and
>> LeashforSecurityRe:flyingwithPrincess for the first time
>>
>>
>>> In Response to your inquiry.
>>> Thank you for contacting TSA with your questions and concerns about
>>> airport security
>>> checkpoint screening for travelers with disabilities and medical
>>> conditions.
>>> Specifically, you were concerned about screening for passengers who
>> have
>>> service dogs.
>>> If a passenger has a service dog due to a disability or medical
>>> condition, both the
>>> passenger and the dog will be screened. The passenger should inform a
>>> security officer
>>> that the dog is a service animal and not a pet and the dog should be
>>> wearing gear (a
>>> harness, vest, etc.) to indicate that it is a service animal.
>>> Passengers are expected to maintain control of their animals by
>> holding
>>> onto the leash
>>> throughout the screening process and they should not be separated
> from
>>> their dogs by TSA
>>> personnel.
>>> Passenger with service dogs will be screened either by a metal
>> detector
>>> or thorough
>>> pat-down. If the passenger and service animal are screened by a metal
>>> detector, they can
>>> proceed one of three ways:
>>> • The passenger can walk through first with the dog following
>>> behind on its
>>> leash.
>>> • The dog can walk through first on its leash with the
>>> passenger following
>>> behind.
>>> • The passenger and dog can walk through at the same time.
>>> If the passenger and the dog walk through at the same time and the
>> metal
>>> detector
>>> alarms, both the passenger and dog are subject to additional
>> screening,
>>> including a
>>> thorough pat-down. If the passenger and dog walk through separately,
>>> only the party
>>> that alarms the metal detector will receive additional screening. It
>> is
>>> very important
>>> that the passenger not make contact with the dog (other than holding
>> the
>>> leash) until
>>> the dog has been cleared and inspected by an officer.
>>> If a pat-down is required in order to complete screening:
>>> • The pat-down should be conducted by an officer of the same
>>> gender.
>>> Sometimes, passengers must wait for an officer of the same gender to
>>> become available.
>>> • The passenger can request a private screening at any time
>>> and a private
>>> screening should be offered when the officer must pat-down sensitive
>>> areas. During a
>>> private screening, another TSA employee will also be present and the
>>> passenger may be
>>> accompanied by a companion of his or her choosing.
>>> • A passenger may ask for a chair if he or she needs to sit
>>> down.
>>> • The passenger should inform an officer of any difficulty
>>> raising his or her
>>> arms, remaining in the position required for a pat-down, or any areas
>> of
>>> the body that
>>> are painful when touched.
>>> • A passenger should not be asked to remove or lift any
>>> article of clothing
>>> to reveal a sensitive body area.
>>> In addition to the pat-down, TSA may use technology to test for
> traces
>>> of explosive
>>> material. If explosive material is detected, the passenger will have
>> to
>>> undergo
>>> additional screening.
>>> Regardless of how the passenger and dog proceed through metal
>> detector,
>>> the dog will
>>> receive additional screening. The officer will physically inspect the
>>> dog and the dog’s
>>> belongings (collar, harness, leash, backpack, vest, etc.) in order to
>>> resolve the alarm.
>>> Although the dog’s harness will not be removed, it and other items
>> that
>>> he or she may be
>>> carrying such as a backpack are subject to screening.
>>> If a passenger leaves the secure side of the airport to relieve his
> or
>>> her dog, the
>>> passenger and dog will need to undergo the screening process again.
>> When
>>> he or she
>>> returns to the security checkpoint, he or she can ask to move to the
>>> front of the
>>> screening line.
>>> Medication for service animals is permitted through security
>> checkpoints
>>> once it has
>>> undergone X-ray or visual inspection screening. All liquids, gels, or
>>> aerosols that
>>> exceed 3.4 ounces will receive additional screening. Passengers
>> should
>>> tell an officer
>>> in advance if there are medically necessary liquids for the service
>> dog
>>> that need to be
>>> screened, and these should be separated from other items in the
>>> passenger’s carry-on.
>>> A companion, assistant, or family member may accompany a passenger to
>>> assist him or her
>>> during any private or public screening. After providing this
>> assistance,
>>> the companion,
>>> assistant, or family member will need to be rescreened. The passenger
>>> should inform the
>>> officer of his or her need for assistance before the screening
> process
>>> begins.
>>> If a passenger has concerns about his or her screening, he or she
>> should
>>> ask to speak
>>> with a supervisor while at the checkpoint. Passengers also can
> report
>>> concerns by
>>> contacting TSA’s Disability and Multicultural Division at
>>> TSA.ODPO at tsa.dhs.gov or:
>>> Transportation Security Administration
>>> Disability and Multicultural Division
>>> 601 South 12th Street
>>> Arlington, VA 20598
>>>
>>> TSA encourages passengers with disabilities or medical conditions to
>>> arrive at the
>>> airport early and to visit
>>> www.tsa.gov
>>> for more information before they fly.
>>> TSA Cares
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>> Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: 02/02/2012 12:12 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] GDB and Airports Re: Removing Harness and Leash
>>> forSecurityRe:flyingwithPrincess for the first time
>>> Sent by: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I was in training to get Lexia in 2007, GDB took the entire
> class
>>> to
>>> the airport near the end of training to practice. They told us that
> we
>>> would
>>> set off the metal detector. They did not tell us to take off the
>> harness
>>> or
>>> use a leash that did not have metal. This was my own idea.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Removing Harness and Leash
>>> forSecurityRe:flyingwithPrincess for the first time
>>>
>>>
>>>> hi, Larry,
>>>> I guess it depends on the trainers/instructors at Pilot because
> twice
>>> when
>>>> I was in training there, they didn't recommend the harness be
> removed
>>> nor
>>>> the dog be called through the metal detector.
>>>> I went through with both guides and then was wanded.
>>>> I'm sure same thing happens with other schools as well too.
>>>> Can others who go through the other guide dog schools let me know
>>> more on
>>>> this one, please?
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Bibi
>>>>
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