[nagdu] New Guide Dog User
Juanita Herrera
juanita.herrera91 at gmail.com
Tue Feb 7 15:39:31 UTC 2012
Hello Everyone,
My name is Juanita and I received my first guide dog a month ago from
Guide Dogs For The Blind at the Oregon Campus. My guide dog's name is
Anise and she is a black lab. She is very calm, but can have her
random outbursts of energy. She is only 20 months old, and when we go
places she loves to look at people. She gets distracted easily by just
looking around. Is that normal due to her age? Also, how long does it
take until a guide dog team feel completely in sink with each other?
Hope some of you pro guide dog users can help. *smile*
Best,
Juanita and Anise
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> 4. Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
> 5. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
> 6. Re: Getting a guide dog (Tami Kinney)
> 7. Re: Getting a guide dog (Margo and Arrow)
> 8. Re: Getting a guide dog (Hannah Chadwick)
> 9. Re: Getting a guide dog (Sheila Leigland)
> 10. flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
> 11. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
> 12. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Jessica Pitzer)
> 13. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Sheila Leigland)
> 14. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
> 15. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
> 16. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
> 17. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
> 18. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
> 19. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
> 20. Re: Update (Jessica)
> 21. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
> 22. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
> 23. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
> 24. Re: Getting a guide dog (Jessica)
> 25. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
> 26. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
> 27. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
> 28. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
> 29. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
> 30. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
> 31. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
> 32. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
> 33. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
> 34. Re: Getting a guide dog (Julie J.)
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> 37. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
> 38. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
> 39. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
> 40. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
> 41. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
> 42. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
> 43. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
> 44. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
> 45. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
> 46. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
> 47. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
> 48. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Criminal Justice Major)
> 49. My Adventure and Odie's new bone (Criminal Justice Major)
> 50. Re: Update (Cindy Ray)
> 51. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
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> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:02:18 -0500
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
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> Hi Jessica,
>
> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both of
> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups involved?
> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to be
> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>
> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in PA, in
> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma and
> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>
> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jessica
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Update
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> Hi All
> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted. I'm
> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus. He
> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning my
> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from the
> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am moving
> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I even
> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more focused and
> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone is
> doing well
> Jessica
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> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:07:07 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
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> Jessica, congratulations on that upcoming area. That will be a change. Last
> time I was married I moved from a university town in Kansas to a tiny town
> in Iowa, the opposite of you. Goodness, what a change. Now I'm in Des
> Moines, quite a little busier. I know it will all go well for you there.
> Cindy
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> On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Jessica wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>> I'm Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>> campus. He is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am
>> planning my wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog
>> came from the same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous
>> because am moving from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area
>> but am excited to really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on
>> our visits and I even think he works better when he is there. He just
>> seems to be more focused and not as sniffy as when he walks down these
>> roads at home. Hope everyone is doing well
>> Jessica
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> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:57:51 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
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> I here that DC is easy to get around/. My daughter attends Galludet out
> there. Are Y'all going to make the dogs dress up as well?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:35 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>
>
> Hi All
> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted. I'm
> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus. He
> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning my
> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from the
> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am moving
> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I even
> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more focused and
> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone is
> doing well
> Jessica
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> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:38:57 -0500
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida. We
> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to stop
> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler,
> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and
> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do
> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
> responcibility. RJ
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:38:10 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If you
> are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want a dog,
> you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make transportation
> easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you had a dog. If you
> believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of responsibility, but if
> you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for me it would seem you
> should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how you really feel about it
> yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the answer for all blind people.
> The dog is not the answer for all blind people. My husband doesn't use one
> because he says he doesn't have the patience and would rather use a cane.
> What it really boils down to is you need to consider the pros and cons; if
> you don't want a dog then don't get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know
> what they mean when they say you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do
> what?
>
>
> Cindy
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>
>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:38:53 -0800
> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> RJ,
>
> Good grief! What a nightmare people are making for you! I am so sorry
> that you have to put up with it.
>
> In short, I chose guide dog because I just love dogs and knew I would
> love that way of travel over cane. I'm a good cane traveler, but... I
> prefer dog. Because I love dogs, I don't see all the hassles and all as
> hassles. /smile/ Also, my decision was made for me by physical abuse
> from staff at the Oregon Commission for the Blind headquarters. Using a
> cane afterwards was making the original injuries worse by leaps and
> bounds, and there was no way I could ever hope to start getting the
> injuries healed while using a cane to go everywhere. Sigh. Because those
> injuries and other events at the time I was there brought my old
> fibromyalgia out of remission -- or caused a whole new onset, as it
> seems to me -- I needed to deal with the travel problem and became
> physically unable to even *think* about the rigors of a guide dog
> program. So I got me a poodle pup and when she proved to have "the right
> stuff," just up and trained her myself. /smile/ I had tons of training
> experience since I was too young to remember, so I knew I had the right
> stuff, too, but it was a pretty daunting project. I still sometimes find
> myself going about with my super duper poodle guide and feel suddenly
> shocked. How'd that happen? /lol/
>
> As an owner-trainer, I know all about getting, um, strong-smelling brown
> stuff over every decision you make to do with dogs canes socks... Oh,
> my! Who needs it?
>
> That's my story.
>
> Your story is your story. Your decisions are your decisions. Remembering
> that when everybody else is telling you what your story is according to
> them and what you should do based on the life and times they have so
> kindly invented for you is not easy. In fact, it is just plain maddening!
>
> Your reasons are yours. They reflect your reality. And most of us on the
> list can easily remind you that you have been gathering information to
> make the best decision for yourself for quite a while. If you wish to
> stick with your cane at this point in your life -- or for all the rest
> of it -- that is *no one's* choice but yours.
>
> Oh, and when you live in a place with no sidewalks and no safe place to
> walk where traffic won't mow you down... Even with a guide dog, you will
> need a ride. Trust me, I go nuts over being in that position every day.
> /lol/ It's just a regular item on my to do list so that I can get it out
> of my system and get on with my day so I can give myself better options.
> /grin/ If people want to grump at me about my decisions about how to
> deal with what exists in the real world, I just smile blandly and shrug.
> If they want to go risk their lives doing what they think I should do,
> fine. People die out there, and they have sight and everything. I don't
> think anyone else's approval is worth dying over, and I'm sure not going
> to risk my dog. She's got great traffic training and is a total pro. But
> she can't do magic with a road full of crazy, inattentive
> non-law-abiding drivers with no protection between us and them. Sooner
> or later... So. That's my decision. If I make the wrong decision to
> please someone else, they won't be haunted for the rest of their broken,
> crippled lives by what they let happen to a really great dog, will they?
> Nope!
>
> Don't know if that attitude of mine is helpful for you, but I got it a
> long time ago from someone very wise. If someone tells you to go play in
> the freeway, and you do it because they want you to and you want to make
> them happy... They don't get run over. You do. /smile/
>
> Best to you! Sooner or later, you can get to a point where you are
> surrounded by people who respect and support you for who you are. It is
> not always easy, though, as I also know. And it's really tough when the
> pressure is so much and you hear the same thing over and over so often
> and said so strongly and reinforced so heavily that you doubt yourself.
>
> You're doing well!
>
> Tami
>
> On 02/06/2012 01:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:07:33 -0500
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I was
> always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>
> margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want a
>>
>> dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you
>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of
>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for
>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how you
>>
>> really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the answer
>>
>> for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind people. My
>> husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the patience and
>> would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you need to
>> consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't get it.
>> It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say you
>> aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>
>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>>
>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>>
>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:09:09 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> RJ,
> I got a guide dog because I was ready to take on the responsibility and yes
> it is a huge one at that. I recently (three days ago) graduated from Pilot
> Dogs with my guide and already I've had to take her to the vet. It can get
> expensive and if you do not feel like you are ready, then I think you should
> probably wait.
> Best, Hannah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida. We
> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to stop
> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler,
> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and
> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do
> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:24:13 -0700
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> Hi rj I got a dog partially because my husband thought it would be a good
> idea, but mostly I got one because we lived in a neighborhood where the
> corners aren't straight across from each other and I was having trouble
> crossing streets straight and people tended to park boats across their
> driveways and my cane slipped underneath one and I hit it at chest level. I
> still knows how to use a cane but enjoy the companionship with a dog.
>
> sheila leigland
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:30:27 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <000201cce527$4f312d90$ed9388b0$@suddenlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi all,
> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic job,
> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's due
> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her the
> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave her a
> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well despite
> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this
> morning because I got very worried.
> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice and
> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because it
> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about this
> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed them
> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all think?
> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage cheese
> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
> Cheers, Hannah
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:35:12 -0500
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <B09A299BFDD24E7BA307D57EAC1D3BE8 at hometwxakonvzn>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Here is what my mobility instructor said in his report.
> Preparation for guide dog - Mr. Sandefur had training to simulate use of a
> guide
> within the context of residential travel and semi-commercial travel. Mr.
> Sandefur
> found the orientation very challenging and after reflecting on his
> experience, he
> has since decided that he prefers the use of a long cane to guide dog
> travel.
>
>
>
>
>
> Recommendations: Mr. Sandefur will need additional training to accomplish
> his goal of
> commercial travel. It should be noted that Mr. Sandefur has decided to no
> longer pursue
> his goal of guide dog preparation. Some people at church feel I gave up to
> soon, and that I didn't try heard enough. My family has told me not to apply
> for a guide dog because I'd just be wasting my time, but how am I supposed
> to know if I'm really ready to repsue this again in the future? My mentel
> health said that I have trouble ajusting to new things. RJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I was
>>
>> always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>
>> margo and Arrow
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want
>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you
>>>
>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of
>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for
>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how
>>> you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the
>>> answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the
>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you
>>>
>>> need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't
>>> get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say
>>> you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to
>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I
>>>>
>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>
>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>
>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is
>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:37:17 -0500
> From: Jessica Pitzer <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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> I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
> the rice.
>
> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic job,
>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's due
>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her the
>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave her
>> a
>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well despite
>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>> this
>> morning because I got very worried.
>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice and
>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because it
>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about this
>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed them
>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all think?
>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage cheese
>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>> Cheers, Hannah
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:40:20 -0700
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <auto-000045192255 at fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Our vet recomends cutting way back on food and over a few days gradually
> increase to the amounts she is use to. Changes of water and routein can
> interfere with their systems for a while. Make sure she is drinking water
> though
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:39:57 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <E35983A8-C9C1-4AEB-88BB-CAD4F4FE9CB2 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Well, first of all, your trainers are talking about normal times. I would do
> what the vet said. Not sure why boiled chicken and cottage cheese, but I've
> used cottage cheese and I've used lean hamburger. You give them that and, at
> least what I did, was gradually rework in the regularly scheduled food as
> the dog seemed to be better.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic job,
>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's due
>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her the
>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave her
>> a
>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well despite
>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>> this
>> morning because I got very worried.
>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice and
>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because it
>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about this
>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed them
>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all think?
>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage cheese
>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>> Cheers, Hannah
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:48:56 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <000401cce529$e43af270$acb0d750$@suddenlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Yes, she has been drinking lots and lots of water!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:40 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
> Well, first of all, your trainers are talking about normal times. I would do
> what the vet said. Not sure why boiled chicken and cottage cheese, but I've
> used cottage cheese and I've used lean hamburger. You give them that and, at
> least what I did, was gradually rework in the regularly scheduled food as
> the dog seemed to be better.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to
>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday
>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk
>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had been
>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I got
> very worried.
>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again that
>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used to having.
> What do you all think?
>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>> Cheers, Hannah
>>
>>
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>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:04:15 -0500
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <25C969D157174B5FB1F6AFE8A9852A32 at Babylon5>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> hi, the only person i listened to when deciding to get a dog was me, because
> i'm the only one who truely knows my abilities and limitations, and i
> personaly have always loved all our 4 footed, feathered, finned and scaled
> friends (except for roaches, YUCK)
> thats my story, and i'm stick'en to it lol
> just make the decision on whats best for you and nobody else
> William And LD Lynard
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:09:48 -0500
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <CF213EEF259748EBADCE6E31D96FAD54 at Babylon5>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust your
> vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school once you take
> the dog home
> William And LD Lynard
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:10:50 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <679B261F-B6F5-4B6A-8D9B-87E64C41D92D at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I think what William has said here is good advice.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:09 PM, William Vandervest wrote:
>
>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school once
>> you take the dog home
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
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>
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:36:00 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <64281422A75447F0B6E91BDF5C5A34EC at yourec0540d030>
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>
> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal. Well,
> sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move much faster
> with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can run with
> Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a big deal!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>>I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida. We
>>
>>do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
>>church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to stop
>>making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler,
>>they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and
>>they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do
>>not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
>>just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
>>feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>responcibility. RJ
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>
>
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:37:02 -0500
> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
> Message-ID: <11E4FC18C0FB4007B1B240B53FA7B1BE at jessicasearsPC>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Hi All
> The doggies will not be in the wedding as my dog sort of likes to hump other
> doggies. Gdb is going to work on this when they come to work with me after I
> get settled there and have a bit of mobility haha. I lived in Orlando for 3
> years while I worked at a hotel but moved back to my home town before
> getting my doggie. Thanks all for the responses.
> Jess
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:02 PM
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>
>> Hi Jessica,
>>
>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both of
>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>> involved?
>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to be
>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>
>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in PA,
>> in
>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma and
>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>
>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>
>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Jessica
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>
>> Hi All
>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>> I'm
>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus. He
>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning my
>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from the
>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am moving
>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>> even
>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more focused
>> and
>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone is
>> doing well
>> Jessica
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:38:42 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> Cindy, before I got Holly, everyone would always ask me why I didn't get a
> dog! I just didn't want one at the time and that was all there was to it!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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>
>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want a
>>
>> dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you
>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of
>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for
>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how you
>>
>> really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the answer
>>
>> for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind people. My
>> husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the patience and
>> would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you need to
>> consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't get it.
>> It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say you
>> aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>
>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>>
>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>>
>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:41:09 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> Tami, you just wanted to look like a poodle! RJ, at least you don't have to
> take the cane out to poop when its well below zero outside! Oh, I forgot,
> it never does that down in the everglades!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>> RJ,
>>
>> Good grief! What a nightmare people are making for you! I am so sorry that
>>
>> you have to put up with it.
>>
>> In short, I chose guide dog because I just love dogs and knew I would love
>>
>> that way of travel over cane. I'm a good cane traveler, but... I prefer
>> dog. Because I love dogs, I don't see all the hassles and all as hassles.
>> /smile/ Also, my decision was made for me by physical abuse from staff at
>> the Oregon Commission for the Blind headquarters. Using a cane afterwards
>> was making the original injuries worse by leaps and bounds, and there was
>> no way I could ever hope to start getting the injuries healed while using
>> a cane to go everywhere. Sigh. Because those injuries and other events at
>> the time I was there brought my old fibromyalgia out of remission -- or
>> caused a whole new onset, as it seems to me -- I needed to deal with the
>> travel problem and became physically unable to even *think* about the
>> rigors of a guide dog program. So I got me a poodle pup and when she
>> proved to have "the right stuff," just up and trained her myself. /smile/
>> I had tons of training experience since I was too young to remember, so I
>> knew I had the right stuff, too, but it was a pretty daunting project. I
>> still sometimes find myself going about with my super duper poodle guide
>> and feel suddenly shocked. How'd that happen? /lol/
>>
>> As an owner-trainer, I know all about getting, um, strong-smelling brown
>> stuff over every decision you make to do with dogs canes socks... Oh, my!
>>
>> Who needs it?
>>
>> That's my story.
>>
>> Your story is your story. Your decisions are your decisions. Remembering
>> that when everybody else is telling you what your story is according to
>> them and what you should do based on the life and times they have so
>> kindly invented for you is not easy. In fact, it is just plain maddening!
>>
>> Your reasons are yours. They reflect your reality. And most of us on the
>> list can easily remind you that you have been gathering information to
>> make the best decision for yourself for quite a while. If you wish to
>> stick with your cane at this point in your life -- or for all the rest of
>> it -- that is *no one's* choice but yours.
>>
>> Oh, and when you live in a place with no sidewalks and no safe place to
>> walk where traffic won't mow you down... Even with a guide dog, you will
>> need a ride. Trust me, I go nuts over being in that position every day.
>> /lol/ It's just a regular item on my to do list so that I can get it out
>> of my system and get on with my day so I can give myself better options.
>> /grin/ If people want to grump at me about my decisions about how to deal
>> with what exists in the real world, I just smile blandly and shrug. If
>> they want to go risk their lives doing what they think I should do, fine.
>> People die out there, and they have sight and everything. I don't think
>> anyone else's approval is worth dying over, and I'm sure not going to risk
>>
>> my dog. She's got great traffic training and is a total pro. But she can't
>>
>> do magic with a road full of crazy, inattentive non-law-abiding drivers
>> with no protection between us and them. Sooner or later... So. That's my
>> decision. If I make the wrong decision to please someone else, they won't
>> be haunted for the rest of their broken, crippled lives by what they let
>> happen to a really great dog, will they? Nope!
>>
>> Don't know if that attitude of mine is helpful for you, but I got it a
>> long time ago from someone very wise. If someone tells you to go play in
>> the freeway, and you do it because they want you to and you want to make
>> them happy... They don't get run over. You do. /smile/
>>
>> Best to you! Sooner or later, you can get to a point where you are
>> surrounded by people who respect and support you for who you are. It is
>> not always easy, though, as I also know. And it's really tough when the
>> pressure is so much and you hear the same thing over and over so often and
>>
>> said so strongly and reinforced so heavily that you doubt yourself.
>>
>> You're doing well!
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 02/06/2012 01:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>>
>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>>
>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:42:14 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> How's it going with Princess anyway?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>> RJ,
>> I got a guide dog because I was ready to take on the responsibility and
>> yes
>> it is a huge one at that. I recently (three days ago) graduated from Pilot
>> Dogs with my guide and already I've had to take her to the vet. It can get
>> expensive and if you do not feel like you are ready, then I think you
>> should
>> probably wait.
>> Best, Hannah
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of RJ Sandefur
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>> We
>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to stop
>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler,
>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and
>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do
>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:41:56 -0500
> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> Hi
> Knowing your area as good as I do I will say it is not a dog area. There are
> no sidewalks and no transpo. I will say a dog is a huge responsibility but
> for me it is worth it every time he gets me around things, licks my hand, or
> even puts his paws on me to say lets play. When I got a dog I will be honest
> in saying I had no clue what I was in for. The first 6 months were
> definitely stressful on both of us but we worked hard through and am so
> blessed to have him. Think hard about the choice and no that is not an
> excuse you are making. Though some schools pay for some vet care most
> require you to put it out first before getting refunded later. It is all up
> to you and only you know inside what is best for you. Good luck.
> Jess
> Jess
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:49:32 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly had some
> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so. Also, when we go
> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much. Se4nce she
> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic job,
>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's due
>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her the
>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave her
>>
>> a
>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well despite
>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>> this
>> morning because I got very worried.
>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice and
>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because it
>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about this
>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed them
>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all think?
>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage cheese
>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>> Cheers, Hannah
>>
>>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:52:12 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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> Yeah, I'll start feeding her the recommended food tonight. I just wanted to
> know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.
> Otherwise, Princess is doing great and continues to amaze me everyday. She's
> so aadorable! *grin* :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Larry D. Keeler
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:50 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly had some
> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so. Also, when we go
> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much. Se4nce she
> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to
>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday
>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk
>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had been
>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>> got very worried.
>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again that
>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used to having.
> What do you all think?
>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>> Cheers, Hannah
>>
>>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:53:08 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> You'll know! Just don't let others tell you what you need! I have seen
> folks who think they need a dog because they're doctors tell them that's
> they should have! However, they're mobility skills are not gode and some
> don't even like dogs!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>> Here is what my mobility instructor said in his report.
>> Preparation for guide dog - Mr. Sandefur had training to simulate use of a
>>
>> guide
>> within the context of residential travel and semi-commercial travel. Mr.
>> Sandefur
>> found the orientation very challenging and after reflecting on his
>> experience, he
>> has since decided that he prefers the use of a long cane to guide dog
>> travel.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Recommendations: Mr. Sandefur will need additional training to accomplish
>> his goal of
>> commercial travel. It should be noted that Mr. Sandefur has decided to no
>> longer pursue
>> his goal of guide dog preparation. Some people at church feel I gave up to
>>
>> soon, and that I didn't try heard enough. My family has told me not to
>> apply for a guide dog because I'd just be wasting my time, but how am I
>> supposed to know if I'm really ready to repsue this again in the future?
>> My mentel health said that I have trouble ajusting to new things. RJ
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I
>>> was always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>
>>> margo and Arrow
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>
>>>
>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want
>>>>
>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>> you had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>
>>>> of responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>> for me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch
>>>> how you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is
>>>> the answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>>>
>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the
>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is
>>>> you need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then
>>>> don't get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when
>>>> they say you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to
>>>>>
>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them
>>>>> I am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>>>
>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>>> excuses. Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in
>>>>> order to care for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do
>>>>> you as guide dog users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for
>>>>>
>>>>> check ups. It is an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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> Message: 28
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:55:58 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and dump!
> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm not
> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in the
> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
>
>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>> the rice.
>>
>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>> job,
>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>> due
>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>> the
>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>> her a
>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>> despite
>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>> this
>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice and
>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because
>>> it
>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>> this
>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed them
>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all think?
>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>> cheese
>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:58:08 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <91E8F75953C443A5A0BA051DA3DE03E9 at yourec0540d030>
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> I know you bill! You got a dog just so you could have a friend that would
> have to listen to you!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>> hi, the only person i listened to when deciding to get a dog was me,
>> because i'm the only one who truely knows my abilities and limitations,
>> and i personaly have always loved all our 4 footed, feathered, finned and
>> scaled friends (except for roaches, YUCK)
>> thats my story, and i'm stick'en to it lol
>> just make the decision on whats best for you and nobody else
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
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> Message: 30
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:58:06 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <000801cce533$8d9d2280$a8d76780$@suddenlink.net>
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>
> Princess loves to sniff everywhere and that's the very first thing she did
> when we got home.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Larry D. Keeler
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:56 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and dump!
> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm not
> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in the
> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
>
>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>the rice.
>>
>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>> it's due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc.
>>> I gave her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>> not to feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>> Friday night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>> milk bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>> been super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>> got very worried.
>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>> that we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>> to having. What do you all think?
>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 31
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:01:24 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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> Pilot in particular really is against people food for dogs. Partly because
> some folks open that door and there dogs get to be real porkers and beggars!
> Niether of those things is all that good! But, I do slide Holly an
> occasional beef jerky, carrot or other treat about once a month. Dog treats
> always and of many types!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
>
>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school once
>> you take the dog home
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:08:07 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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>
> Yeah I've definitely noticed that. Do you think Princess got sick from the
> milk bones? I mean she's never had them before... the Petco grooming salon
> people seem to think it's the milk bones that made her have diarrhea...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Larry D. Keeler
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:01 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
> Pilot in particular really is against people food for dogs. Partly because
> some folks open that door and there dogs get to be real porkers and beggars!
>
> Niether of those things is all that good! But, I do slide Holly an
> occasional beef jerky, carrot or other treat about once a month. Dog treats
> always and of many types!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
>
>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>> once you take the dog home William And LD Lynard
>>
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> Message: 33
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:13 -0500
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> Why do the schools tell people guide dogs arn't robots? This I would think
> is a no brainer. How do you expline to a vet, about your dog? RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>> Well, sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move much
>> faster with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can run
>> with Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a big
>>
>> deal!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>>I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>>they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>>We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>>making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>>guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>>think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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> Message: 34
> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:38:58 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> RJ,
>
> I think it doesn't matter what I think! *smile*
>
> Whether or not you get a guide dog is totally, completely all you. You
> are the one who is going to have to train with the dog, take care of the
> dog, clean up poop and foot the bills. You are also the one who would
> be traveling with the dog. If you feel you would prefer to work a dog
> than use a cane, then go for it. If not, just say no.
>
> I have no idea why your family or mobility instructor don't feel you
> would benefit from a guide. That is an entirely different issue
> though. Some family members get upset by the idea of guide dogs because
> they feel the dog will do the job they used to do. Some mobility
> instructors feel guide dogs are only for totally blind people or blind
> people with poor O&M. That isn't true though. I am a very good cane
> traveler as are many of the people on this list. And I know people who
> are really not so great with a cane and do not want a dog. It really
> comes down to personal choice.
>
> Good luck with whatever you choose,
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> On 2/6/2012 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>> you decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>> tell me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in
>> Okeechobee Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I
>> practually have to be driven to church, the store etc. Others from
>> people at church are telling me to stop making excuses, and get a
>> dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not
>> trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and they tell me
>> that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do not have
>> the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only just
>> making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
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> Message: 35
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:40:09 -0500
> From: "loriandleo" <loriandleo at ohiohills.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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> Hi Hannah,
>
> I'm so glad Princess did so well on the flight home. Now as far as Princess
> goes I would follow the recommendations of what your vet told you to do.
> Good luck and I hope Princess feels better soon. Take care.
>
> Lori and the Gipper
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 36
> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:53:58 +0000 (GMT)
> From: t21114 at optonline.net
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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> hi Hannah,
> Glad you trip home with Princess was good. Just be patient with her as
> everything is new to her and she doesn't know what's going on. New place and
> new people.
> Marilyn and Anna
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hannah Chadwick
> Date: Monday, February 6, 2012 7:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>
>> Yeah, I'll start feeding her the recommended food tonight. I
>> just wanted to
>> know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.
>> Otherwise, Princess is doing great and continues to amaze me
>> everyday. She's
>> so aadorable! *grin* :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf
>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:50 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly
>> had some
>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so.
>> Also, when we go
>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much.
>> Se4nce she
>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'"
>>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> > Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a
>> fantastic
>> > job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life
>> *smile*.> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much
>> and I believe it's
>> > due to all the changes - time difference, new environment,
>> etc. I gave
>> > her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>> not to
>> > feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>> Friday
>> > night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>> milk
>> > bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>> been
>> > super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However,
>> on
>> > Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by
>> yesterday,
>> > she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning
>> because I
>> > got very worried.
>> > The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on
>> white rice
>> > and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few
>> days
>> > because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a
>> little
>> > hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and
>> again that
>> > we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>> to having.
>> What do you all think?
>> > Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and
>> cottage
>> > cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food
>> they
>> > have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>> > Cheers, Hannah
>> >
>> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 37
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:07:53 -0500
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <7B2E2A14BC7048C0BA7B341D4C654721 at Babylon5>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there glades
> lol
> William And LD Lynard
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 38
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:11:22 -0500
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <F0B7E49242F24C78ADBCB3D45BE332F8 at Babylon5>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> what a how-d-do, bet he loved that
> William And LD Lynard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 39
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:12:05 -0500
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <2A902EDA07834170B923047BF1A5148B at Babylon5>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> bite me lolol
> William And LD Lynard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 40
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:14:11 -0500
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <E0296F5BC609475DBB33E60BF96A4264 at Babylon5>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> did she ever have milk bones at the school?
> William And LD Lynard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 41
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:16:43 -0500
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <777EA0DE56CB46B49D8106AF668A0DE9 at hometwxakonvzn>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Gaters love them some human, and guide dog on top of that if you're not
> carefull RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there glades
>>
>> lol
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 42
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:20:47 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <05B78F64214A4E7AB5B3C2625678BA05 at yourec0540d030>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Well, the dog is normal! The sniffer is online!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
>
>> Princess loves to sniff everywhere and that's the very first thing she did
>> when we got home.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:56 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and dump!
>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm
>> not
>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in the
>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>>
>>>I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>>the rice.
>>>
>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>> it's due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc.
>>>> I gave her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>> not to feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>> Friday night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>>> milk bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>> been super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>> got very worried.
>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>> that we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>> to having. What do you all think?
>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> com
>>>>
>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 43
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:22:58 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <9432D2FC6DFA426D83D7028ED48870B6 at yourec0540d030>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Well, isn't Lynard a labragator?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there glades
>>
>> lol
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 44
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:23:33 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <1AAD8255744E4128B5D1FB0917EABDCC at yourec0540d030>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Not!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>
>
>> what a how-d-do, bet he loved that William And LD Lynard
>>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 45
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:24:04 -0500
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <41DB924FDAAC41FEBBB3C546CB38178A at yourec0540d030>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> I'll leave that to Lynard!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>
>
>> bite me lolol William And LD Lynard
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 46
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:27:33 -0500
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <599BF7133C3E49FB834201E5005F4AF7 at Babylon5>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> labrigater or labricarpet depending on what time it is lol
> William And LD Lynard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 47
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:30:26 -0500
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
> Message-ID: <10485F40135247109F447BF097331A8A at Babylon5>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> he don't bite, he just licks and licks and licks lol
> William And LD Lynard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 48
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:58:07 -0700
> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
> Message-ID: <FEFFCF640DEC457696CF8FE3C390ABB3 at bibi>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi, Hannah,
> Yes, it is all right to feed her the white rice whith boiled chicken and
> cottage cheese.
> Dogs can eat that directly.
> Other types of human foods they can have are Golden Delicious and Granny
> Smith's apples, fresh carrots, green beans, spinach and bananas.
> They can also have baby snack sized carrots.
> When dealing with the fresh carrots and green beans, peel the skin on the
> outtside off and chop them into tiny pieces.
> If you should use canned carrots, sweet peas and green beans, open the can
> halfway to drain the preserves liquid out before giving them to her.
> Same thing goes with canned spinach.
> If you prefer the frozen peas and spinach, give her a very small amount.
> As for the Golden Delicious and Granny Smith's apples, just peel the skin
> off on the outtside, remove the core in the middle with the seeds and chop
> it into small pieces for her to chew on.
> Avoid giving her red apples as they are extremely sweet and too soft for the
> dog to digest.
> Bananas are also good because of the patasium, (paticium) but only if your
> vet recommends it.
> As for the science diet, if you choose to stick with that food, be very
> careful with it as it is very rich on the dog's stomach.
> This means that if you were to do a test with the food by soaking it and it
> turns into a gravy like substance, it's really rich.
> With foods that are rich, the dog would only be able to have a half cup of
> the food unless you mix it up with another dry dog food.
> Yes, it's true depending on the trainer that trains your dog, they'll tell
> you something different, but my advice is always listen to your vet on what
> they have to say.
> They will get to know your dog more.
> Odie has a sensitive stomach, so he can't have anything that is very rich
> where it will turn into a gravy like paste.
> I learned the hard way as back when he was eating Blue Buffalo with brown
> rice, chicken and sweet potatoe, it tore his stomach up bad to where he had
> constant gas.
> He continued to eat the food, but I had to add another dry dog food to it so
> he wouldn't have that awful mash potatoish stool.
> Although I'm sure others on the list may have different views, feelings or
> opinions, I still say definitely stay on top of communicating with your
> vet.
> Yes, stress can be a major factor for when it's a new environment and the
> best you can do is give her time to adjust.
> I've worked with guide dogs off and on for almost twelve years.
> Hope this helps.
> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
> medical alert service dog
> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 49
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:07:54 -0700
> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: [nagdu] My Adventure and Odie's new bone
> Message-ID: <906BE1D47AF34A6F85FE2F2559703AA1 at bibi>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi, all,
> Today was my adventure outtside, especially after being kept indoors for
> over seventy-two hours, three days.
> My friend Amanda Dreher and I both left our working dogs at home and took
> the plunge upon the challenge that lie ahead of us.
> That challenge was having to climb over big mounds of snow drifts that were
> everywhere.
> Even when I went outtside to catch the route38 bus, I had to climb over the
> large snow bank and stand in the gutter to wait for the bus.
> Once the bus pulled up, I flagged the driver down to indicated I wanted him.
> While out and about, I bought Amanda her birthday present which was a box of
> chocolate Truffles from cee's Candy and then did another purchase at Petco.
> I ended up buying some nature's Miracle to have around in case Odie were to
> have another indoor accident or get sick.
> I ended up buying him a bone filled with peanutbutter filling on the inside.
> He loves those kind of bones and enjoys licking the inside filling out of
> it.
> It also does help keep his teeth clean, the outtside part as when he is
> chewing on it, the scraping will get the tardor off.
> Of course, Dale and I still brush his teeth with using a small amount of
> baking soda by turning it into a paste.
> He doesn't like that, but at least it helps prevent build up or vacteria in
> his mouth.
> I usually don't buy a bone on a continuous basis, but will get Odie one once
> in a great while.
> He has plenty from Dog Savvy that are organtic and a few from Petsmart that
> have sweet potatoe filling on the inside.
> Thankfully, I won't have to venture back out again until Thursday.
> I'll admit that the February, 2012 is the worst blizard for its time as of
> right now.
> Still, I'm greatful for all of that snow to help clean the air up.
> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
> medical alert service dog
> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 50
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:39:21 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
> Message-ID: <E84F2944-445A-4FC7-ADE4-BA68B240F218 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hmmm, that conjures up picts. But would your dog do that while in harness at
> the wedding? LOL.
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Jessica wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>> The doggies will not be in the wedding as my dog sort of likes to hump
>> other doggies. Gdb is going to work on this when they come to work with me
>> after I get settled there and have a bit of mobility haha. I lived in
>> Orlando for 3 years while I worked at a hotel but moved back to my home
>> town before getting my doggie. Thanks all for the responses.
>> Jess
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:02 PM
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>
>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both of
>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>> involved?
>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to be
>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>
>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in PA,
>>> in
>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma
>>> and
>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>
>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>
>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Jessica
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>
>>> Hi All
>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>>> I'm
>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus.
>>> He
>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning my
>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from the
>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am moving
>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>> even
>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more focused
>>> and
>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone is
>>> doing well
>>> Jessica
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> Message: 51
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:40:10 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> Well, I didn't want one either, but when I did decide my decision wasn't
> based on if anybody thought I needed one or not. The decision was fully
> mine, and I got it because of pain in my hands.
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>
>> Cindy, before I got Holly, everyone would always ask me why I didn't get a
>> dog! I just didn't want one at the time and that was all there was to it!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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>>
>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want
>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you
>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of
>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for
>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how
>>> you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the
>>> answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the
>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you
>>> need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't
>>> get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say
>>> you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to
>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I
>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is
>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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> Message: 52
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:48:45 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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> Vets are familiar with guide dogs. They sometimes think they are really
> amazing; they are just well trained and some of their staff is more apt to
> think that. Some people really think because the dog is a dog it robotically
> does the things you want it to do, but it is still a dog.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:16 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>
>> Why do the schools tell people guide dogs arn't robots? This I would think
>> is a no brainer. How do you expline to a vet, about your dog? RJ
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>> Well, sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move much
>>> faster with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can run
>>> with Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a
>>> big deal!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to
>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I
>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is
>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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> Message: 53
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:51:01 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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> William,
> I don't believe she's ever had milk bones before...
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of William Vandervest
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:14 PM
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> did she ever have milk bones at the school?
> William And LD Lynard
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> Message: 54
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:56:10 -0800
> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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> thank you Bibi! This is definitely helpful *smile*.
> All the best, Hannah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Criminal Justice Major
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:58 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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> Hi, Hannah,
> Yes, it is all right to feed her the white rice whith boiled chicken and
> cottage cheese.
> Dogs can eat that directly.
> Other types of human foods they can have are Golden Delicious and Granny
> Smith's apples, fresh carrots, green beans, spinach and bananas.
> They can also have baby snack sized carrots.
> When dealing with the fresh carrots and green beans, peel the skin on the
> outtside off and chop them into tiny pieces.
> If you should use canned carrots, sweet peas and green beans, open the can
> halfway to drain the preserves liquid out before giving them to her.
> Same thing goes with canned spinach.
> If you prefer the frozen peas and spinach, give her a very small amount.
> As for the Golden Delicious and Granny Smith's apples, just peel the skin
> off on the outtside, remove the core in the middle with the seeds and chop
> it into small pieces for her to chew on.
> Avoid giving her red apples as they are extremely sweet and too soft for the
> dog to digest.
> Bananas are also good because of the patasium, (paticium) but only if your
> vet recommends it.
> As for the science diet, if you choose to stick with that food, be very
> careful with it as it is very rich on the dog's stomach.
> This means that if you were to do a test with the food by soaking it and it
> turns into a gravy like substance, it's really rich.
> With foods that are rich, the dog would only be able to have a half cup of
> the food unless you mix it up with another dry dog food.
> Yes, it's true depending on the trainer that trains your dog, they'll tell
> you something different, but my advice is always listen to your vet on what
> they have to say.
> They will get to know your dog more.
> Odie has a sensitive stomach, so he can't have anything that is very rich
> where it will turn into a gravy like paste.
> I learned the hard way as back when he was eating Blue Buffalo with brown
> rice, chicken and sweet potatoe, it tore his stomach up bad to where he had
> constant gas.
> He continued to eat the food, but I had to add another dry dog food to it so
> he wouldn't have that awful mash potatoish stool.
> Although I'm sure others on the list may have different views, feelings or
> opinions, I still say definitely stay on top of communicating with your
> vet.
> Yes, stress can be a major factor for when it's a new environment and the
> best you can do is give her time to adjust.
> I've worked with guide dogs off and on for almost twelve years.
> Hope this helps.
> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
> medical alert service dog
> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
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