[nagdu] When is the Connection Too Much?

Wed Jan 11 20:00:13 UTC 2012

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Doug: I am the Eggman!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] When is the Connection Too Much?

> Tami,
> I always say us and we.  Like Ben's song says
> "I used to say I and me,
> Now it's us,
> Now it's we."
>
> It's part of why it's such a great, mushy, guide dog song.
>
> I have to watch it and remember not to say "we" when it was only me.  Like
> you, I don't worry about it too much.
> Tracy
>
>
>> Will and Toni,
>>
>> Using the dog's name in a professional signature line does seem a bit
>> unprofessional, although there may be cases where it's not a big thing,
>> depending... Maybe. I'm not thinking of anything right now, but norms
>> for some professions are more relaxed than for others. Every now and
>> then I get a wild hair and think it would be cute to put Mitzi's name in
>> my personal signature or something. Then I remember that it would be too
>> easy to forget to use the right signature on business or serious
>> correspondence... So I take precautions there for my own
>> absent-mindedness. /smile/
>>
>> If a guide dog user chooses to allow their dog free run of the house
>> when company comes over, well so do a lot of dog owners. It depends on
>> the dog, the handler and the guest, and I think Toni laid that out
>> really well. If the dog is mugging the guests or snarfing food off the
>> plates at the dinner table or even on the couch... Well, if I were the
>> guest I would not be too eager to drop by again. Especially if the
>> behavior was not handled by the handler. /lol/
>>
>> Mitzi has the run of the house when we have guests over, so I remind her
>> of "company manners" when it's a formal gathering as opposed to a drop
>> by from a really good buddy. /smile/ When it's our special friends, they
>> have their own preferences, which she respects, so I smile happily and
>> proudly at her and figure it's all good if everyone is happy. /lol/
>> Poodles are funny beasts that way, not like dogs at all it can seem, but
>> I've decided I quite like that.
>>
>> So she is now teaching the puppy good company manners, with support from
>> the house humans. Way cool. Daisy had learned to be really good with
>> company for the last couple of years of her life, but she did need
>> watching to keep her from loving them too much once she decided they
>> were okay. /smile/ Mitzi is a very charming hostess, with her poodle
>> grin and little dance and tail action. So it's fun watching the puppy
>> learn from her and develop her own way of interacting with company.
>>
>> Where I wonder about myself with my attachment to my guide is when I
>> realize I talk to her all the time... Then I heard from other guide dog
>> users that they just go around talking to their dogs without realizing
>> it. Also, I've noticed how that affects Mitzi and her understanding of
>> what her work is about and all. It really strengthens our bond and
>> working unity... Also, I realized I was talking, literally, to hear the
>> sound of my own voice. For echolocation. /lol/ So Ive been retraining
>> myself to use the echolocation without the constant chatter. I backslide
>> to the point where I annoy myself when lose more vision or if I'm really
>> tired or stressed in a complicated environment. Working on it! I make a
>> conscious effort to use the clicker, which does great. Even when I'm
>> using the cane. /lol/ I've never really taken to the finger snap, and I
>> also use that with Mitzi to remind her to mind her manners when she's
>> ancy. The tongue sound escapes me, more so when I'm tired and stressed
>> and likely to run off at the mouth over nothing, so... The clicker it is!
>>
>> Oh, I've also noticed that I've fallen into referring to Mitzi and me as
>> "we" in some contexts. We walked to the store. We went to the mall... I
>> can never decide if I've gone goofy to do that or if it's natural
>> because we're a partnership and are doing these things together as a
>> team. I have decided not to worry about it. /grin/
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 01/10/2012 04:44 PM, Toni Whaley wrote:
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> I personally think it's inappropriate to use the dog's name in a
>>> business
>>> letter. Regarding having the run of the house, I think that depends on
>>> the
>>> nature of the dog. If the dog tends to be overly friendly especially
>>> when
>>> food is around, I think the dog should be in a crate or on a tiedown.
>>> Onn
>>> the other hand, if the dog doesn't really care about company and tends
>>> to
>>> stay out of the way or disappears, I think it's OK. Of course, there's
>>> the
>>> problem that the guests themselves may be more of a problem than the
>>> dog;
>>> that is, getting the dog too excited. I've had dogs of both types. I've
>>> also
>>> tended to keep my dog out of sight on Haliween. evening, both to prevent
>>> the
>>> dog from getting too excited and running out the opened door and/or
>>> scaring
>>> some of the children.
>>>
>>> Toni
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of William Burley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:10 PM
>>> To: NAGDU
>>> Subject: [nagdu] When is the Connection Too Much?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope everyone is well.  I had an interesting discussion today with a
>>> longtime guide dog user.  She brought up the fact that some handlers
>>> seem to
>>> take their relationships overboard with their guide dogs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some examples she gave were:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .         Including the dog's name in a professional e-mail signature
>>>
>>> .         Allowing the dog to have run of the house, even when guests
>>> are
>>> there
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> She gave some others but I am drawing a blank now.  I have not
>>> experienced
>>> the two examples above but could see her point.  Have you guys dealt
>>> with
>>> someone you thought took their relationship with their guide to an
>>> unhealthy
>>> level?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
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