[nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

Tue Jan 17 19:37:41 UTC 2012

Sort of.
So if say I had the money to join a country club, and I had the recommendations to join the country club, could whoever is in charge say "no blind people" and get away with it?
Still not sure I totally understand.

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:51 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

Basically, as defined under the ADA, it is one that has exclusive
membership.  For instance, one that an individual pays dues at...a country
club for instance.    However, by knowing one's facts, we do sometimes see
organizations trying to sneak by and using this as an allowance...take for
instance, the YMCA as I recall a case from a few years ago that denied a
service dog access and used this.  Although it does have membership, it is
not exclusive membership as anyone can from the public can purchase such a
membership...unlike the country club example.

Does this help a little?

Steve

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:44 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

So can aprivate club not allow someone because of race or disability?

I thought that a private club could exclude anybody they wanted but it
couldn't be based on something the person can't control like race.
Can you explain?
And what constitutes a private club?

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marion Gwizdala
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:19 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

    Julie's assessment of the separation of church and state is correct as
it pertains to religious institutions and places of worship. As it relates
to private clubs, the private club has the right to set its own membership
criteria and exclude whomever they wish. Although we may not want to join a
private club that excludes people who use service animals or those who use
wheelchairs, but we may also not want to join clubs that exclude Jews,
blacks, homosexuals, Polocks, or those with other characteristics.
Similarly, there are those who want to join such clubs and that is their
right of association and free speech.

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

> Sheila and all,
>
> The rationale of the exemption of places of worship from the ADA stems
> from the principle of the separation of church and state.
>
> Having said that, I, personally, would not attend a place of worship
> where my guide was not welcome no matter that the law gives them the
> option of exclusion.
>
> Julie
>
>
> On 12/28/2011 8:08 PM, Sheila Leigland wrote:
>> I understand about clubs if you don't pay why be at there activities.
>> I won't choose betreen my having and using my guide dog and a church.
>> If my dog isn't welcome at a church I won't be attending that church.
>>
>> Sheila Leiglan d
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