[nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

Tue Jan 17 19:45:46 UTC 2012

No, you have to be recommended. So if say you had the money to join, and I was already a member, I could recommend you. That's standard. What I want to know is if the deciding voters (think it's called a board) could say no and be okay legally based on disability or some other charastic.

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

Anyone can join a country club if they can afford it, can't they?

Cindy

On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:

> Sort of.
> So if say I had the money to join a country club, and I had the recommendations to join the country club, could whoever is in charge say "no blind people" and get away with it?
> Still not sure I totally understand.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:51 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations
> 
> Basically, as defined under the ADA, it is one that has exclusive
> membership.  For instance, one that an individual pays dues at...a country
> club for instance.    However, by knowing one's facts, we do sometimes see
> organizations trying to sneak by and using this as an allowance...take for
> instance, the YMCA as I recall a case from a few years ago that denied a
> service dog access and used this.  Although it does have membership, it is
> not exclusive membership as anyone can from the public can purchase such a
> membership...unlike the country club example.
> 
> Does this help a little?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:44 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations
> 
> So can aprivate club not allow someone because of race or disability?
> 
> I thought that a private club could exclude anybody they wanted but it
> couldn't be based on something the person can't control like race.
> Can you explain?
> And what constitutes a private club?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:19 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations
> 
>    Julie's assessment of the separation of church and state is correct as
> it pertains to religious institutions and places of worship. As it relates
> to private clubs, the private club has the right to set its own membership
> criteria and exclude whomever they wish. Although we may not want to join a
> private club that excludes people who use service animals or those who use
> wheelchairs, but we may also not want to join clubs that exclude Jews,
> blacks, homosexuals, Polocks, or those with other characteristics.
> Similarly, there are those who want to join such clubs and that is their
> right of association and free speech.
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:43 PM
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> 
>> Sheila and all,
>> 
>> The rationale of the exemption of places of worship from the ADA stems
>> from the principle of the separation of church and state.
>> 
>> Having said that, I, personally, would not attend a place of worship
>> where my guide was not welcome no matter that the law gives them the
>> option of exclusion.
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/28/2011 8:08 PM, Sheila Leigland wrote:
>>> I understand about clubs if you don't pay why be at there activities.
>>> I won't choose betreen my having and using my guide dog and a church.
>>> If my dog isn't welcome at a church I won't be attending that church.
>>> 
>>> Sheila Leiglan d
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