[nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

Tue Jan 17 19:53:56 UTC 2012

that's what I want to know. And if they can, why. 

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:49 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

I suppose they could do that. They could certainly say your dog wasn't welcome. Is that not true?

Cindy

On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:

> No, you have to be recommended. So if say you had the money to join, and I was already a member, I could recommend you. That's standard. What I want to know is if the deciding voters (think it's called a board) could say no and be okay legally based on disability or some other charastic.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:43 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations
> 
> Anyone can join a country club if they can afford it, can't they?
> 
> Cindy
> 
> On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
> 
>> Sort of.
>> So if say I had the money to join a country club, and I had the recommendations to join the country club, could whoever is in charge say "no blind people" and get away with it?
>> Still not sure I totally understand.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:51 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations
>> 
>> Basically, as defined under the ADA, it is one that has exclusive
>> membership.  For instance, one that an individual pays dues at...a country
>> club for instance.    However, by knowing one's facts, we do sometimes see
>> organizations trying to sneak by and using this as an allowance...take for
>> instance, the YMCA as I recall a case from a few years ago that denied a
>> service dog access and used this.  Although it does have membership, it is
>> not exclusive membership as anyone can from the public can purchase such a
>> membership...unlike the country club example.
>> 
>> Does this help a little?
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:44 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations
>> 
>> So can aprivate club not allow someone because of race or disability?
>> 
>> I thought that a private club could exclude anybody they wanted but it
>> couldn't be based on something the person can't control like race.
>> Can you explain?
>> And what constitutes a private club?
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:19 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations
>> 
>>   Julie's assessment of the separation of church and state is correct as
>> it pertains to religious institutions and places of worship. As it relates
>> to private clubs, the private club has the right to set its own membership
>> criteria and exclude whomever they wish. Although we may not want to join a
>> private club that excludes people who use service animals or those who use
>> wheelchairs, but we may also not want to join clubs that exclude Jews,
>> blacks, homosexuals, Polocks, or those with other characteristics.
>> Similarly, there are those who want to join such clubs and that is their
>> right of association and free speech.
>> 
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations
>> 
>> 
>>> Sheila and all,
>>> 
>>> The rationale of the exemption of places of worship from the ADA stems
>>> from the principle of the separation of church and state.
>>> 
>>> Having said that, I, personally, would not attend a place of worship
>>> where my guide was not welcome no matter that the law gives them the
>>> option of exclusion.
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/28/2011 8:08 PM, Sheila Leigland wrote:
>>>> I understand about clubs if you don't pay why be at there activities.
>>>> I won't choose betreen my having and using my guide dog and a church.
>>>> If my dog isn't welcome at a church I won't be attending that church.
>>>> 
>>>> Sheila Leiglan d
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