[nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

Fri Jan 20 16:23:13 UTC 2012

Marion: I don't know if anyone pointed this out about bathing dogs every
week.  Any Flea Dip box will tell you it last 30 days. some Shampoos
have suggested bath scheduling info on them too.  this policy concerns
me as these adults are basically defenseless and can have any policy
someone feels like implementing and the Policy becomes "Law of the Land"
because it goes unchallenged until someone or their dog in this case
gets hurt.

From:	"Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To:	"NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide
            Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Date:	01/18/2012 07:18 AM
Subject:	Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
            Organizations
Sent by:	nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org

Bobby,
    Please send pics to our webmaster, Tami Kinney, at

webmaster at nagdu.org

Fraternally yours,
Marion

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Harris" <Harris.Robert at epamail.epa.gov>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
Organizations

> Thanks Marion I get it.  I can send a picture of Prince at work, past
> dog Clara at work and Past past dog Kirstin at work anytime just let
me
> know who to send them if they are wanted.
>
> Bobby and Prince
>
>
>
>
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>            Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: 01/13/2012 05:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
>            Organizations
> Sent by: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>
>
>
> Robert,
>    Sam's and Cosko, along with numerous other consumer clubs are not
> private in nature. Membership is based upon the payment of a fee to
> receive
> the benefits of membership. What the law protects are clubs whose
> membership
> requirements might include specific characteristics. Let's say, for
> argument's sake, there is a club called the REdheaded Men of Tampa
whose
>
> membership is only open to, well, redheaded men who live in Tampa. I
> could
> be a member, but my wife could not. She is neither redheaded nor a
man.
> this
> club, private in nature, is not bound by the provisions of the ADA.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Harris" <Harris.Robert at epamail.epa.gov>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
> Organizations
>
>
>> I'd be interested to see that article too because it clashes with the
>> bible.  What exactly are we talking about "Private Clubs" If we mean
>> dating or similar more intense activity clubs, private skeete or gun
>> clubs, etc I can dig what's going on, but if we mean Sams Club or
> other
>> card holder shopping centers I have a real problem which is answered
>> anyone who pays the fee can access the facility including with a dog
>> guide. allot of legal mumbo-jumbo is going on where they tried to
>> enterperate laws to suit private agendas. Change, Yes We CaN!!!!!
>>
>> Now my two questions I joined up to see if I could find an answer. In
>> 1982 I bought a very heavy bouncy rubber ball with a bell in it. I
> still
>> use it today but think it will eventually rot out.  Anyone know where
>> those balls can be found today? It has a hole in it and has served me
>> all 6 dogs well but Prince is beating on it good and has a strong
> bite.
>> He gives me the ball after running about 60 yards with it.
>>
>> 2. What is the latest haps on good dog boots out there for heavy
>> commuting in slush or are we still messing with what I've seen at
>> petsmart and other local stores (junk)?
>>
>> Bobby and Prince
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>            Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: 01/12/2012 03:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
>>            Organizations
>> Sent by: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Rebecca,
>>    There are those on this list who may be able to provide a better
>> explanation than I. I believe that, if a private club has specific
>> membership requirements and those requirements are used across the
>> spectrum,
>> such as race, ethnicity, gender, or disability, use of those
>> characteristics
>> to exclude an individual for membership are not considered
>> discriminatory.
>>    There is an article on today's Associated Press in which the
Courts
>> have
>> affirmed that the ADA does not apply to religious organizations. I
> will
>> find
>> that article and forward it to this list.
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
>> Organizations
>>
>>
>>> So can aprivate club not allow someone because of race or
disability?
>>>
>>> I thought that a private club could exclude anybody they wanted but
> it
>>
>>> couldn't be based on something the person can't control like race.
>>> Can you explain?
>>> And what constitutes a private club?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:19 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
>>> Organizations
>>>
>>>    Julie's assessment of the separation of church and state is
> correct
>> as
>>> it pertains to religious institutions and places of worship. As it
>> relates
>>> to private clubs, the private club has the right to set its own
>> membership
>>> criteria and exclude whomever they wish. Although we may not want to
>> join
>>> a
>>> private club that excludes people who use service animals or those
> who
>> use
>>> wheelchairs, but we may also not want to join clubs that exclude
> Jews,
>>> blacks, homosexuals, Polocks, or those with other characteristics.
>>> Similarly, there are those who want to join such clubs and that is
>> their
>>> right of association and free speech.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious
>>> Organizations
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sheila and all,
>>>>
>>>> The rationale of the exemption of places of worship from the ADA
>> stems
>>>> from the principle of the separation of church and state.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, I, personally, would not attend a place of
worship
>>>> where
>>>> my guide was not welcome no matter that the law gives them the
> option
>> of
>>>> exclusion.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/28/2011 8:08 PM, Sheila Leigland wrote:
>>>>> I understand about clubs if you don't pay why be at there
>> activities. I
>>>>> won't choose betreen my having and using my guide dog and a
church.
>> If
>>>>> my
>>>>> dog isn't welcome at a church I won't be attending that church.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheila Leiglan d
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