[nagdu] Advice Requested

Janice Toothman janice.toothman at verizon.net
Sat Jan 21 14:28:33 UTC 2012 

Hi Mark,
if you are not the only one with a guide dog at the school, how do they 
know that it is your dog's waste remains that are in contention?  Do 
they have people who are watching where you park your dog?  Are any of 
these people threatening you to not have your guide dog because 
according to the office of disability support services you have not 
effectively clean up after your dog and therefore broken their law?
Janice and Destiny (golden lab and flat coat mix)

On 1/20/2012 8:26 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> 2 in my dorm including me, and a couple others over in the law school. 
> However my school is not a traditional campus, instead it is school 
> buildings in the middle of the city. There is several other guide dog 
> handlers who are not affiliated with the school in the office 
> buildings around hear.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa belville" 
> <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>
>
>> Just out of curiosity, how many people have service dogs on your campus?
>>
>>
>> I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!
>>
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>
>>
>>> Exactly. I'm just being unfairly picked on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa belville" 
>>> <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hmm, IMO there's a huge difference between a smeery patch left over 
>>>> and a huge dropping.  Even if someone stepped on that smeary patch, 
>>>> they're not going to be tracking brown number 2 all over the 
>>>> campus.  It really sounds like someone has too much time on their 
>>>> hands.
>>>> I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!
>>>>
>>>> Lisa Belville
>>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" 
>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am feeding the dog as recommended by the school. Also, we are 
>>>>> discontinuing treating the dog because training is almost over.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The complaints are coming from the office of disability services 
>>>>> as an official entity. The policy I am supposedly violating is 
>>>>> there own policy for service animals on campus. Witch states that 
>>>>> handlers must clean up after there dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am most certainly doing so, however, there are small remnants 
>>>>> occasionally left behind mostly in the form of a small stain or 
>>>>> skid mark on the concrete.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This could easily be rectified by the rain. It is a non issue, but 
>>>>> they are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa belville" 
>>>>> <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm, Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with the folks who are advising you to either change food 
>>>>>> or at least cut down on the treats.  New dogs get stressed, 
>>>>>> nothing wrong with that, but maybe gradually weaning the dog off 
>>>>>> of treats, or at least to a different type of treat would solve 
>>>>>> the loose stool issue. I'm not sure what you're using for treats, 
>>>>>> but something with more fiber like green beans or even carrots 
>>>>>> would be good.  If you're treating him while you're working, 
>>>>>> you'd need to find something that's easy to carry and access when 
>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When Katy goes on concrete I can pick up after her without 
>>>>>> leaving a huge smudge behind because her stool is so firm.  Of 
>>>>>> course, there are times when it's not, and in those cases I'm 
>>>>>> sure I leave something behind, but unless someone is crawling 
>>>>>> around on the concrete it's not a huge deal, especially if it's 
>>>>>> an occasional thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would your school have the same response with gum or someone 
>>>>>> emptying a soda or coffee on to the concrete?  I'm betting not. 
>>>>>> Plus  as others have pointed out, a car leaks all kinds of 
>>>>>> nonbiodegradable substances that have a worse impact on the 
>>>>>> environment and no one seems to care. And come to think of it, I 
>>>>>> never see drivers picking up after their cars. <grin>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides that, two things come to mind here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, who is giving you grief about your dog's deposits?  Are 
>>>>>> they citing some kind of school regulation having to do with 
>>>>>> health or appearance?  If so, I'd ask to see those regs.  Is this 
>>>>>> a student worker or someone with a bit more pull?  Who is this 
>>>>>> person's supervisor? perhaps a discussion higher up the 
>>>>>> bureaucratic food chain would clarify things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Secondly, are the complainers positive this is your dog's 
>>>>>> droppings? Because unless they watched you pick up and miss a 
>>>>>> piece and leave a smear, how do they know for sure the remnants 
>>>>>> are from your dog?  You said this was an alley, right?  Who's to 
>>>>>> say what stray dogs or other quadrupeds are running around 
>>>>>> leaving little presents?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a situation similar to this with my first dog.  I lived in 
>>>>>> a very pet friendly apartment complex.  Besides myself, there 
>>>>>> were several other dog users.  We dog users were always getting 
>>>>>> notes from the management about how we weren't picking up after 
>>>>>> our dogs.  I was accused of leaving things behind in places my 
>>>>>> dog never went.  Then a friend sitting on my second floor balcony 
>>>>>> just so happened to see someone, not a blind person, BTW, let 
>>>>>> their little puntable object stop, drop and plop and then go on 
>>>>>> it's merry way with no attempt to pick up at all.  When this was 
>>>>>> brought to the management everyone was shocked because they 
>>>>>> supposedly had a very strict pick up policy. Naturally, the blind 
>>>>>> person is the easy target because it's not like we would know for 
>>>>>> certain that everyone else wasn't picking up after their dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This isn't the first incident of a college having a very uh, anal 
>>>>>> attitude when it comes to dogs and their droppings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you can get this resolved with a minimum of fuss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll try anything once, especially if it's chocolate covered!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lisa Belville
>>>>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" 
>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:01 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps, but the problem is mostly that it freezes to the 
>>>>>>> concrete and is stuck down in the cracks and whatnot. Not on the 
>>>>>>> surface ware you could wipe it up. The school is also having 
>>>>>>> issues with my dog's puddles, and there is nothing I can do 
>>>>>>> about that. They are all outside, and down an allie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:32 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What if you had paper towel with you and then after bagged up 
>>>>>>>> take that and scrub the area with it some more. I have  never 
>>>>>>>> heard of people having this issue so much, though maybe they 
>>>>>>>> just don't talk about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, the problem arises because it is less than 32 hear, and 
>>>>>>>>> because the pavement is so cold, some of the waist adheres to 
>>>>>>>>> it. especially when it is watery due to stress on the dog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" 
>>>>>>>>> <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:16 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know. After I pick up, I always scrape the bag around 
>>>>>>>>>> where the dog went to make sure I get it all. I have never 
>>>>>>>>>> had this issue before, though I am sure sometimes there has 
>>>>>>>>>> been a little. Does the dog move around when it is having a 
>>>>>>>>>> moving experience?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As you know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide 
>>>>>>>>>>> dog handler knows, it is important to pick up after your 
>>>>>>>>>>> dog. I am doing this as best I can, however, sometimes there 
>>>>>>>>>>> is a "skid mark" of solid waist left behind on the concrete 
>>>>>>>>>>> wich is impossible to remove.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The school office of disability services is giving me a hard 
>>>>>>>>>>> time about my dogs parking. The school says that I am not 
>>>>>>>>>>> doing a good enough job picking up the solid waist. 
>>>>>>>>>>> According to the school, the skid marks ground into the 
>>>>>>>>>>> concrete when I pick up after my dog are causing a problem. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
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