[nagdu] Advice Requested

Sat Jan 21 18:02:15 UTC 2012

Yes, the director of the ODS office made a dog dropping inspection, and 
counted "no less than 8 skid marks on the pavement.

I don't know who his boss is.

The security guards love my dog. I don't think it is them.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Hooper" <hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested

> You shouldn't have to do that.
>
> Who, specifically, is giving you the hard time? Do you have people from 
> ODS following you around everywhere? Who is telling them that it is your 
> dog--could it be the aforementioned security guards in your dorm filing 
> complaints? If so, they may make it sound a lot worse than it really 
> is--the ODS people may be being told that there are massive chunks of 
> doggy dung lying around instead of the occasional mustard blot. I just 
> don't see how ODS would even know about your dog's relieving behavior. ODS 
> at my school isn't interested in the slightest that I even have a dog, let 
> alone when and where it poops. This situation is astonishing to me because 
> of that. When I stroll into ODS, I get nothing but the occasional 
> compliment about my "pretty shepherd" and then it's on to business. Has 
> somebody from ODS been out there to check the specific spot? You should 
> demand that they clean it up since their expertise about dog care knows no 
> bounds. You should also inform them that you are a grown human being who 
> managed to pass through a college admission screening process and that 
> their attitude is disgusting, condescending, and appropriate toward a 
> nine-year-old, not a competent individual such as yourself who strives to 
> one day soon have a degree in hand. Ask them if they also want to monitor 
> your pooping behavior and ensure that you are flushing after each #2 you 
> make. Ask them also if they plan on eating a four course meal from the 
> pavement in question, because if so, then there is a lot more that needs 
> done to clean it up than Mr. Clean. Tell them that if they are going to 
> treat you like a child, then you want them to also go after the drunks 
> that puke on the pavement; those who urinate on the pavement; those who 
> throw trash or food on the pavement; those who spit their gum on the 
> pavement. Ask them if they care where your dog goes when you are at home 
> because your home is just as off-campus as the place you take your dog 
> when you are at school. Finally, demand of this person to see their 
> supervisor, to whom you will say the same things until somebody decides to 
> get off their power trip and treat you like you're the college student 
> that you are, not their wayward naughty child.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but people and situations like that disgust, sicken, 
> and sadden me. Of course, you probably shouldn't spout all that to anyone. 
> At least make it sound more diplomatic first. However, I assure you that 
> if it were me, that would be the overall impression I would try to leave 
> with them. Whether they have a fancy policy about dog dung or not, it 
> can't apply off-campus--no matter how close to campus it is--off campus is 
> off campus. Period. It would be the equivalent of them saying "Clean up 
> more carefully after your dog when you're at your mother's house. 
> Otherwise, there will be consequences for you." Anyway, I hope you get 
> that resolved. Don't hesitate to inform them of their deplorable attitude 
> and patronizing policies.
> Sincerely,
> Robert Hooper
> Hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu
> The Ohio State University
> 0653 Buckeye-Cuyahoga CT
> 653 Cuyahoga Court
> Columbus, Ohio 43210
> (740) 856-8195
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of Mark J. Cadigan
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:00 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>
> I may just do that. But, I would rather not.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>
>
>> Take the dog behind the chain, then and if there is a problem you can say
>> that the ODS office has given you no choice because of their
>> obstructionist
>> behavior.
>>
>> They really don't sound nice, my god
>>
>> In my opinion, take your dog where it's convenient for you and fornicate
>> them if they don't like it.
>> Easy for me to say right--smile--I'm not the one who has to live with
>> this.
>>
>> But I just find it unconscionable, after all training with your first dog
>> is
>> so stressful and now to have this idiocy you have to deal with.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:48 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: President at NAGDU.ORG
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advice Requested
>>
>> Thank you to everyone for your response.
>>
>>
>>
>> My dog does not mind pavement relieving. The patch of pavement I am using
>> is
>> public property and not owned by the school. I believe all the school is
>> doing is blowing hot air.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no grass available for several blocks, and the area is not safe
>> after about 10:00pm. The location I am currently using is well lit, and
>> visible to the officers at the security desk of my dorm.
>>
>>
>>
>> What kinds of modifications can the school require I make to my dog's
>> relieving practices? He is going on the shoulder of the rode, in a sort 
>> of
>> inlet that leads down an alley. There is a chain across the alley that if
>> I
>> passed it I would be on private property. I don't go passed the chain.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am removing 95% or higher of every deposit. They are still griping at 
>> me
>> for when due to no fault of my own, some remnants get stuck to the
>> pavement
>> witch can't be removed.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is also a trash can within 20ft of this patch of pavement I deposit
>> the bagged waist in this trash receptacle.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the policy and procedure recommended by Fidelco. The school is
>> threatening to write me up for a violation of the ODS amendment to the
>> student handbook. This section does not specify a punishment, so the
>> punishment would be at the discretion of the school.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not the first student to have a guide dog on campus, however, I am
>> the
>> only one the ODS office has decided to harass. There is another student 
>> in
>> my dorm with a guide dog. However her dog is much smaller than my dog,
>> with
>> a corresponding reduction in size of its deposit. This student takes her
>> dog
>>
>> behind the aforementioned chain onto private property. I am not
>> comfortable
>> in doing this without the consent of the property owner. I am unable to
>> determine the property owner; however, I believe it is owned by either 
>> the
>> state or federal government. The property belongs to either a courthouse
>> or
>> office building or perhaps both.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your help,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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