[nagdu] Pig was Re: Backpacking

Abigail Lanier lanier.abigail at gmail.com
Wed Jan 25 06:22:01 UTC 2012 

When we were first approaching the place of business, I thought I heard a duck, but as we got closer I realized it was, in fact, a pig.

Alexa and I did have some animal distractions while we were in class at GEB as well, but they were animals like cats, dogs, and horses. She and I have been hiking on parts of the Blue Ridge Park Way and come across random cows grazing on hill sides before. Then, she acted as though the large mammals were part of the scenery.

As for the pig yesterday morning, I think she was scared and confused. I would have liked to spend more time with Mr., or perhaps Miss, Piggie yesterday, but it was raining, and I was really unsure of what to do in that kind of situation. Eventually, I convinced her to "leave it" and we proceeded in doors.

On Jan 25, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:

> So, to keep this on topic, how did your dog respond to this unexpected company?
>   During training at GDB, we did have several animal distractions, including the kennel cat and a miniature horse, but I don't think that the trainers ever thought of bringing in a pig.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abigail Lanier" <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
> 
> 
>> I have no idea! It did make my day, however, in addition to my normal morning fix of caffeine.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>> 
>>> Giggle. What was a pig doing there???
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abigail Lanier" <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Speaking of llamas, I was walking into my local coffee shop yesterday when
>>>> Alexa and I encountered a pig. Yes, you know the kind, the small, some
>>>> times pink, curly-q tail, oinking piggie. I do live in the mountains of
>>>> North Carolina where most anything goes, but this experience really had me
>>>> giggling. It was kind of sad though, because there I was, the only human
>>>> around to my knowledge, standing in the rain with my perplexed canine and
>>>> a pig.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Get a couple of llamas tpo carry all the stuff and the dog could double
>>>>> as a herder for the llamas!
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney"
>>>>> <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, this is a very educational discussion. /smile/ I'm reading it all
>>>>>> and wondering how many things I would forget to think of if I suddengly
>>>>>> got a chance to head off on a nice backpacking trip one a natural
>>>>>> trail...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which I long to do, so I'm exercising my guide dog hiking brain cells by
>>>>>> trying to figure out how I would solve all of those things... /smile/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> People have given good answers to some of the things I haven't gotten
>>>>>> around to thinking about, like water purification and all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The weight bearing part, I'm not sure of, since the dog needs food,
>>>>>> extra food for the extra work. So would I!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I come up with a brilliant solution to that in light of the fact that
>>>>>> I am but a delicate little woman, I'll be sure to clue y'all in...
>>>>>> /grin/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 01/24/2012 05:08 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>>>> Abigail,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What specific things are you concerned about in regard to a week long
>>>>>>> hike vs. a day trip?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it sleeping arrangements and making sure your guide is warm and
>>>>>>> comfortable?
>>>>>>> Is it the extra weight she will need to carry and getting used to
>>>>>>> packs?
>>>>>>> Maybe working her on off road terrain?
>>>>>>> Are you concerned about interference from wildlife or illness from
>>>>>>> unpurified water?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think if you could be more specific about what your concerns are,
>>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>> be able to offer more help.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1/23/2012 9:56 PM, Abigail Lanier wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you for your response, but I am really looking for advice in
>>>>>>>> regards to hiking with a guide dog. I've done lots of camping and
>>>>>>>> hiking before I got my guide and even some short day trips with her,
>>>>>>>> but as I said in a previous message, I"m looking into a week long hike
>>>>>>>> of the Appalachian Trail this March and I want to take Alexa with me.
>>>>>>>> I'm doing lots of research and considering the pros and cons of taking
>>>>>>>> her. Her health and well being is just as important as mine.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Abigail
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I go backpacking all the time. For water purification I just use the
>>>>>>>>> purification tablets you get at any camping or army surplus store.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You can set up your tent completely independently; it just depends on
>>>>>>>>> practice, and having a small tent. Chances are, if you are
>>>>>>>>> backpacking you will have a small tent.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For food, I like the freeze dried food. It's a lot easier to carry
>>>>>>>>> than canned food.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey
>>>>>>>>> Young"<jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:20 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Tami. We probably won't do any hiking in the first year, but
>>>>>>>>>> maybe some car camping.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Abigail, the biggest issue on a long trip is water. It doesn't sound
>>>>>>>>>> as though you are, but if you or anyone is backpacking in a dry
>>>>>>>>>> desert area, I would not recommend bringing a dog. The reason being
>>>>>>>>>> that you have to pack all of your own water. This can become very
>>>>>>>>>> heavy, and packing the additional water for the dog would be hard to
>>>>>>>>>> deal with. Ideally you will only need to bring two or three leaders
>>>>>>>>>> along with a water purification system. You can get water from
>>>>>>>>>> streams, but it needs to be purified so you or your dog do not
>>>>>>>>>> contract geardia. I'm sure I misspelled it, but it's also known as
>>>>>>>>>> backpackers disease. It's easy to cure when near a hospital or vet,
>>>>>>>>>> but not in the wild, especially because you won't have a functional
>>>>>>>>>> bathroom.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Check with the organizer of the event to see if he or she is
>>>>>>>>>> bringing a purifier, that way you won't need to by your own. Another
>>>>>>>>>> thing is to make sure you are familiar with your own equipment. IE
>>>>>>>>>> setting up your tent on your own ETC. You will need a hand with most
>>>>>>>>>> tents, but you will need to make sure that you can do the majority
>>>>>>>>>> of the work. Everyone else on the trip will have their own
>>>>>>>>>> equipment, and having to help someone else a lot can be annoying to
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This is all stuff I learned on the trips we took. I was twelve and
>>>>>>>>>> theirteen on most of ours, and my dad came on one and basically told
>>>>>>>>>> me if I wanted to keep going I needed to be more independent.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Good Luck, and don't hesitate with any other questions. Also, you
>>>>>>>>>> can find a lot of first time resources online.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no added
>>>>>>>>>> sugar. E-mail me for a free sample today.
>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> http://actoverview.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Tami Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> These are all excellent suggestions of things to consider. And
>>>>>>>>>>> congratulations on your soon-to-be first child. You will certainly
>>>>>>>>>>> be too busy to go camping! /grin/ Unless you decide next year your
>>>>>>>>>>> brave enough to put the kid in a backpack and go for it. I know
>>>>>>>>>>> people who do and don't know whether to admire their courage or
>>>>>>>>>>> wonder about their sanity... Just kidding.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Another piece of good advice I got from an avid guide dog using
>>>>>>>>>>> hiker and camper was to always wear sunglasses to protect your eyes
>>>>>>>>>>> from low hanging branches, just in case. And also to wear a
>>>>>>>>>>> baseball cap, for the same reason. This is certainly something I do
>>>>>>>>>>> when using the cane on a trail, and good thing! With the tame
>>>>>>>>>>> trails we usually do, I'm not as motivated to remember when I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> using Mitzi, but I really try to make it a practice. Just in case!
>>>>>>>>>>> /smile/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I've only gotten out on short day trips with Mitzi so far, but one
>>>>>>>>>>> thing I did, knowing I wanted to add more of that in the future,
>>>>>>>>>>> was to use the off leash obedience I'd taught her to give her
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom to explore the first time or two, while I used my cane to
>>>>>>>>>>> navigate and try to figure out how I planned to use her as a guide
>>>>>>>>>>> dog. So then, when I did start doing trails with her in harness, we
>>>>>>>>>>> were able to work out the kinks together pretty well. I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>> gone on any of the really good backpacking and camping trips I
>>>>>>>>>>> would like to. Yet. But I do like using more than one tool,
>>>>>>>>>>> depending on which works best in which environment. Well, and Mitzi
>>>>>>>>>>> really does do the jingle guide and squeak guide thing, in addition
>>>>>>>>>>> to leash guiding, so that gives us a lot of flexibility.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That wouldn't work for everybody and every dog, though, so on a
>>>>>>>>>>> safety first basis: Don't do it unless you're sure your dog will be
>>>>>>>>>>> safe. Honestly, I can't see myself trying it at all with a
>>>>>>>>>>> program-trained dog, simply because the pups are protected and
>>>>>>>>>>> streamlined for guide work, not for running wild and free in the
>>>>>>>>>>> wilderness... Mitzi ran free with a big pack o' poodles and other
>>>>>>>>>>> dogs until she was 7 months, so the other dogs taught her the
>>>>>>>>>>> fundamentals of doggy safety. That made socializing her and all in
>>>>>>>>>>> the city quite the adventure, but it has given me a lot of freedom
>>>>>>>>>>> to train from the beginning towards the outdoor life. She does
>>>>>>>>>>> really well at city slicker stuff now, of course, but that doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> mean we can't throw off our fancy duds and hit the trail! /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> One way to work with a dog without risking letting it run off leash
>>>>>>>>>>> where it doesn't know the dangers or might get too excited and run
>>>>>>>>>>> off and forget to come back would perhaps be to do some long leash
>>>>>>>>>>> work with dog while you use your cane. Our dogs are about as not
>>>>>>>>>>> stupid as dogs can be, after all, and they really do seem to grasp
>>>>>>>>>>> that their purpose in our lives is our safety and theirs. So giving
>>>>>>>>>>> the dog a chance to observe some of the special obstacles and other
>>>>>>>>>>> challenges of hiking a trail could be to give the dog an
>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to watch you take them on and figure it out with your
>>>>>>>>>>> cane. If that makes sense. Also, I have found it to be a good way
>>>>>>>>>>> to plan *how* I want to hike with my guide when the time comes that
>>>>>>>>>>> she will be in harness and I will be using a rigid cane or trekking
>>>>>>>>>>> pole in the other hand for gauging distances up and down.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If that makes sense. /smile/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/22/2012 12:09 PM, Jeffrey Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I have done extensive backpacking as a boy scout, but I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>> had a chance to do any with my guideDog. One thing I'd recommend
>>>>>>>>>>>> is to bring a cane along. A good sturdy cane not a telescoping
>>>>>>>>>>>> one. The cane would serve two purposes. One as a walking stick.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most backpackers use a walking stick. A walking stick is
>>>>>>>>>>>> especially useful on steep rough terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, when hiking you may encounter many obstacles that your
>>>>>>>>>>>> dog might not normally encounter. You can use the cane to explore
>>>>>>>>>>>> the obstruction before moving on. Also, make sure your dog is well
>>>>>>>>>>>> fortified against flees and especially ticks. I don't remember if
>>>>>>>>>>>> you said in the first email, but you might want to find out how
>>>>>>>>>>>> rough the hiking will be and how many miles per day you will need
>>>>>>>>>>>> to travel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you and your dog only travel a mile or two a day on city
>>>>>>>>>>>> sidewalks and you are expected to travel six or seven miles a day
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the trip, then this could pose a challenge of potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>> overworking your dog as well as yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could probably come up with some other tips, but I don't want to
>>>>>>>>>>>> ramble to much. If you have any general backpacking questions feel
>>>>>>>>>>>> free to let me know. Also, I'm sure we have some other backpackers
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I should add that I can't wait to take Hansel on a trip, but we
>>>>>>>>>>>> are having our first child in August, so their won't be much, if
>>>>>>>>>>>> any camping this summer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff and Hansel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no added
>>>>>>>>>>>> sugar. Email me for a free sample today.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
>>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
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>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Abigail Lanier wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The book's title is "Blind Courage" and I am going to try and get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a copy of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The good news is that I already live in the mountains of North
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carolina and Alexa and I are fairly used to hills and such. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have done some hiking, but I wouldn't say that we are well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned or experienced hikers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll let you know of our "progress" :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abigail
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abigail,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been backpacking, but not with my guide. The trip I went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on was 5 days in Colorado in the Rockies. I'd estimate the pack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I carried was 50 pounds or so. It was just about all I could do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry the thing. *smile* Of course that was just my stuff. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree with Nicole to have your guide carry her own food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be to get a pack for yourself and for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide now and start building up your strength to carry it. Add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a little more weight each day, practicing going up and down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stairs to simulate mountain hiking. Your guide won't be used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carrying weight and will also need to build up strength to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to do so comfortably. There are a lot of web sites that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about dog backpacking, you could check out some of them to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get an idea of how much the maximum weight is that your guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could potentially carry. I'd subtract a bit from that because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guiding is work too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a book about a guy who hiked the entire Appalachian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trail with his guide dog. NLS has it. I want to say it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called, "Blind Courage" but I could be misremembering. I've read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a load of dog books and they sometimes get cross-wired in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head! *smile*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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