[nagdu] List of Dog Relief Areas Inside Secured Areas of Airports

Shannon L. Dillon shannonldillon at hotmail.com
Wed Jan 25 17:13:07 UTC 2012 


Good morning.  I've been asked for a list of airports that have dog relief areas inside the secured areas.  I'm aware that regulations were being considered about this issue.  I found a post to this list that discusses the proposed regs last fall. However, I have never heard there was a list of existing airports/relief areas.  Does anyone else know anything about this?
Thanks.
SHANNON L. DILLON
 

> From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:37:31 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
> 
> Giggle. What was a pig doing there???
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Abigail Lanier" <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
> 
> 
> > Speaking of llamas, I was walking into my local coffee shop yesterday when
> > Alexa and I encountered a pig. Yes, you know the kind, the small, some
> > times pink, curly-q tail, oinking piggie. I do live in the mountains of
> > North Carolina where most anything goes, but this experience really had me
> > giggling. It was kind of sad though, because there I was, the only human
> > around to my knowledge, standing in the rain with my perplexed canine and
> > a pig.
> >
> > On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
> >
> >> Get a couple of llamas tpo carry all the stuff and the dog could double
> >> as a herder for the llamas!
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney"
> >> <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:13 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
> >>
> >>
> >>> Julie,
> >>>
> >>> Also, this is a very educational discussion. /smile/ I'm reading it all
> >>> and wondering how many things I would forget to think of if I suddengly
> >>> got a chance to head off on a nice backpacking trip one a natural
> >>> trail...
> >>>
> >>> Which I long to do, so I'm exercising my guide dog hiking brain cells by
> >>> trying to figure out how I would solve all of those things... /smile/
> >>>
> >>> People have given good answers to some of the things I haven't gotten
> >>> around to thinking about, like water purification and all.
> >>>
> >>> The weight bearing part, I'm not sure of, since the dog needs food,
> >>> extra food for the extra work. So would I!
> >>>
> >>> If I come up with a brilliant solution to that in light of the fact that
> >>> I am but a delicate little woman, I'll be sure to clue y'all in...
> >>> /grin/
> >>>
> >>> Tami
> >>>
> >>> On 01/24/2012 05:08 AM, Julie J. wrote:
> >>>> Abigail,
> >>>>
> >>>> What specific things are you concerned about in regard to a week long
> >>>> hike vs. a day trip?
> >>>>
> >>>> Is it sleeping arrangements and making sure your guide is warm and
> >>>> comfortable?
> >>>> Is it the extra weight she will need to carry and getting used to
> >>>> packs?
> >>>> Maybe working her on off road terrain?
> >>>> Are you concerned about interference from wildlife or illness from
> >>>> unpurified water?
> >>>>
> >>>> I think if you could be more specific about what your concerns are,
> >>>> we'd
> >>>> be able to offer more help.
> >>>>
> >>>> Julie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1/23/2012 9:56 PM, Abigail Lanier wrote:
> >>>>> Mark,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you for your response, but I am really looking for advice in
> >>>>> regards to hiking with a guide dog. I've done lots of camping and
> >>>>> hiking before I got my guide and even some short day trips with her,
> >>>>> but as I said in a previous message, I"m looking into a week long hike
> >>>>> of the Appalachian Trail this March and I want to take Alexa with me.
> >>>>> I'm doing lots of research and considering the pros and cons of taking
> >>>>> her. Her health and well being is just as important as mine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Abigail
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I go backpacking all the time. For water purification I just use the
> >>>>>> purification tablets you get at any camping or army surplus store.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You can set up your tent completely independently; it just depends on
> >>>>>> practice, and having a small tent. Chances are, if you are
> >>>>>> backpacking you will have a small tent.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For food, I like the freeze dried food. It's a lot easier to carry
> >>>>>> than canned food.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey
> >>>>>> Young"<jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>> Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>> Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:20 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Backpacking
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks Tami. We probably won't do any hiking in the first year, but
> >>>>>>> maybe some car camping.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Abigail, the biggest issue on a long trip is water. It doesn't sound
> >>>>>>> as though you are, but if you or anyone is backpacking in a dry
> >>>>>>> desert area, I would not recommend bringing a dog. The reason being
> >>>>>>> that you have to pack all of your own water. This can become very
> >>>>>>> heavy, and packing the additional water for the dog would be hard to
> >>>>>>> deal with. Ideally you will only need to bring two or three leaders
> >>>>>>> along with a water purification system. You can get water from
> >>>>>>> streams, but it needs to be purified so you or your dog do not
> >>>>>>> contract geardia. I'm sure I misspelled it, but it's also known as
> >>>>>>> backpackers disease. It's easy to cure when near a hospital or vet,
> >>>>>>> but not in the wild, especially because you won't have a functional
> >>>>>>> bathroom.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Check with the organizer of the event to see if he or she is
> >>>>>>> bringing a purifier, that way you won't need to by your own. Another
> >>>>>>> thing is to make sure you are familiar with your own equipment. IE
> >>>>>>> setting up your tent on your own ETC. You will need a hand with most
> >>>>>>> tents, but you will need to make sure that you can do the majority
> >>>>>>> of the work. Everyone else on the trip will have their own
> >>>>>>> equipment, and having to help someone else a lot can be annoying to
> >>>>>>> them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is all stuff I learned on the trips we took. I was twelve and
> >>>>>>> theirteen on most of ours, and my dad came on one and basically told
> >>>>>>> me if I wanted to keep going I needed to be more independent.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Good Luck, and don't hesitate with any other questions. Also, you
> >>>>>>> can find a lot of first time resources online.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>> Jeff Young
> >>>>>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no added
> >>>>>>> sugar. E-mail me for a free sample today.
> >>>>>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
> >>>>>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://actoverview.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Tami Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jeff,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> These are all excellent suggestions of things to consider. And
> >>>>>>>> congratulations on your soon-to-be first child. You will certainly
> >>>>>>>> be too busy to go camping! /grin/ Unless you decide next year your
> >>>>>>>> brave enough to put the kid in a backpack and go for it. I know
> >>>>>>>> people who do and don't know whether to admire their courage or
> >>>>>>>> wonder about their sanity... Just kidding.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Another piece of good advice I got from an avid guide dog using
> >>>>>>>> hiker and camper was to always wear sunglasses to protect your eyes
> >>>>>>>> from low hanging branches, just in case. And also to wear a
> >>>>>>>> baseball cap, for the same reason. This is certainly something I do
> >>>>>>>> when using the cane on a trail, and good thing! With the tame
> >>>>>>>> trails we usually do, I'm not as motivated to remember when I'm
> >>>>>>>> using Mitzi, but I really try to make it a practice. Just in case!
> >>>>>>>> /smile/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've only gotten out on short day trips with Mitzi so far, but one
> >>>>>>>> thing I did, knowing I wanted to add more of that in the future,
> >>>>>>>> was to use the off leash obedience I'd taught her to give her
> >>>>>>>> freedom to explore the first time or two, while I used my cane to
> >>>>>>>> navigate and try to figure out how I planned to use her as a guide
> >>>>>>>> dog. So then, when I did start doing trails with her in harness, we
> >>>>>>>> were able to work out the kinks together pretty well. I haven't
> >>>>>>>> gone on any of the really good backpacking and camping trips I
> >>>>>>>> would like to. Yet. But I do like using more than one tool,
> >>>>>>>> depending on which works best in which environment. Well, and Mitzi
> >>>>>>>> really does do the jingle guide and squeak guide thing, in addition
> >>>>>>>> to leash guiding, so that gives us a lot of flexibility.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That wouldn't work for everybody and every dog, though, so on a
> >>>>>>>> safety first basis: Don't do it unless you're sure your dog will be
> >>>>>>>> safe. Honestly, I can't see myself trying it at all with a
> >>>>>>>> program-trained dog, simply because the pups are protected and
> >>>>>>>> streamlined for guide work, not for running wild and free in the
> >>>>>>>> wilderness... Mitzi ran free with a big pack o' poodles and other
> >>>>>>>> dogs until she was 7 months, so the other dogs taught her the
> >>>>>>>> fundamentals of doggy safety. That made socializing her and all in
> >>>>>>>> the city quite the adventure, but it has given me a lot of freedom
> >>>>>>>> to train from the beginning towards the outdoor life. She does
> >>>>>>>> really well at city slicker stuff now, of course, but that doesn't
> >>>>>>>> mean we can't throw off our fancy duds and hit the trail! /lol/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> One way to work with a dog without risking letting it run off leash
> >>>>>>>> where it doesn't know the dangers or might get too excited and run
> >>>>>>>> off and forget to come back would perhaps be to do some long leash
> >>>>>>>> work with dog while you use your cane. Our dogs are about as not
> >>>>>>>> stupid as dogs can be, after all, and they really do seem to grasp
> >>>>>>>> that their purpose in our lives is our safety and theirs. So giving
> >>>>>>>> the dog a chance to observe some of the special obstacles and other
> >>>>>>>> challenges of hiking a trail could be to give the dog an
> >>>>>>>> opportunity to watch you take them on and figure it out with your
> >>>>>>>> cane. If that makes sense. Also, I have found it to be a good way
> >>>>>>>> to plan *how* I want to hike with my guide when the time comes that
> >>>>>>>> she will be in harness and I will be using a rigid cane or trekking
> >>>>>>>> pole in the other hand for gauging distances up and down.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If that makes sense. /smile/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tami
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 01/22/2012 12:09 PM, Jeffrey Young wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> So I have done extensive backpacking as a boy scout, but I haven't
> >>>>>>>>> had a chance to do any with my guideDog. One thing I'd recommend
> >>>>>>>>> is to bring a cane along. A good sturdy cane not a telescoping
> >>>>>>>>> one. The cane would serve two purposes. One as a walking stick.
> >>>>>>>>> Most backpackers use a walking stick. A walking stick is
> >>>>>>>>> especially useful on steep rough terrain.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Secondly, when hiking you may encounter many obstacles that your
> >>>>>>>>> dog might not normally encounter. You can use the cane to explore
> >>>>>>>>> the obstruction before moving on. Also, make sure your dog is well
> >>>>>>>>> fortified against flees and especially ticks. I don't remember if
> >>>>>>>>> you said in the first email, but you might want to find out how
> >>>>>>>>> rough the hiking will be and how many miles per day you will need
> >>>>>>>>> to travel.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you and your dog only travel a mile or two a day on city
> >>>>>>>>> sidewalks and you are expected to travel six or seven miles a day
> >>>>>>>>> on the trip, then this could pose a challenge of potentially
> >>>>>>>>> overworking your dog as well as yourself.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I could probably come up with some other tips, but I don't want to
> >>>>>>>>> ramble to much. If you have any general backpacking questions feel
> >>>>>>>>> free to let me know. Also, I'm sure we have some other backpackers
> >>>>>>>>> on the list.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I should add that I can't wait to take Hansel on a trip, but we
> >>>>>>>>> are having our first child in August, so their won't be much, if
> >>>>>>>>> any camping this summer.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jeff and Hansel
> >>>>>>>>> Jeff Young
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Home of the world's healthiest energy drink. No Caffeine, no added
> >>>>>>>>> sugar. Email me for a free sample today.
> >>>>>>>>> Phone: (318) 243-3003
> >>>>>>>>> E-mail: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> Website: http://jhyrumyoung.drinkactweb.com/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Abigail Lanier wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Julie,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The book's title is "Blind Courage" and I am going to try and get
> >>>>>>>>>> a copy of it.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The good news is that I already live in the mountains of North
> >>>>>>>>>> Carolina and Alexa and I are fairly used to hills and such. We
> >>>>>>>>>> have done some hiking, but I wouldn't say that we are well
> >>>>>>>>>> seasoned or experienced hikers.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'll let you know of our "progress" :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Abigail
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Julie J. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Abigail,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I have been backpacking, but not with my guide. The trip I went
> >>>>>>>>>>> on was 5 days in Colorado in the Rockies. I'd estimate the pack
> >>>>>>>>>>> I carried was 50 pounds or so. It was just about all I could do
> >>>>>>>>>>> to carry the thing. *smile* Of course that was just my stuff. I
> >>>>>>>>>>> agree with Nicole to have your guide carry her own food.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be to get a pack for yourself and for your
> >>>>>>>>>>> guide now and start building up your strength to carry it. Add
> >>>>>>>>>>> in a little more weight each day, practicing going up and down
> >>>>>>>>>>> stairs to simulate mountain hiking. Your guide won't be used to
> >>>>>>>>>>> carrying weight and will also need to build up strength to be
> >>>>>>>>>>> able to do so comfortably. There are a lot of web sites that
> >>>>>>>>>>> talk about dog backpacking, you could check out some of them to
> >>>>>>>>>>> get an idea of how much the maximum weight is that your guide
> >>>>>>>>>>> could potentially carry. I'd subtract a bit from that because
> >>>>>>>>>>> guiding is work too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> There is a book about a guy who hiked the entire Appalachian
> >>>>>>>>>>> trail with his guide dog. NLS has it. I want to say it was
> >>>>>>>>>>> called, "Blind Courage" but I could be misremembering. I've read
> >>>>>>>>>>> a load of dog books and they sometimes get cross-wired in my
> >>>>>>>>>>> head! *smile*
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Julie
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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