[nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Wed Jun 27 18:13:34 UTC 2012


Now, I hadn't thought of inconsistencies of this sort this way. That's interesting, for sure.

Cindy

On Jun 27, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:

> Marsha,
>   I can fully appreciate the frustration with inconsistencies. As Mike and I have both shared, it are these inconsistencies that actualy make flying safer. It has nothing to do with our blindness and everything to do with the inability of one who is trying to beat the security system in an effort to do bad things. My best advice is to expect the inconsistencies and go with the flow!
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
> 
> 
>> Its that inconsistency that is so very frustrating about flying these days.
>> No two airports are the same, and no two airport employees treat me a cane
>> or guide dog user the same all of the time. And they wonder why people have
>> so much trouble when they go to fly, what they can take, what they can't
>> take, what to take off, what to do and not to do. *sigh*
>> 
>> Okay sorry rant over, LOL
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:44 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>> 
>> I think inconsistency is actually consistent when it comes to the TSA.
>> I just flew earlier this month.  I had my cane but every time I went
>> through security how they wanted me to proceed and how they checked out
>> my cane was different.   I've just come to accept that security will be
>> a surprise every time.
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/27/2012 8:32 AM, Michael Hingson wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, there are still inconsistencies.  I traveled somewhere in May
>>> where my hands were not swabbed.  I have yet to see any rule implemented
>>> %100 of the time.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 05:11 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>> 
>>> Steve,
>>>     The information I was given indicated these new procedures were
>> expected
>>> to be fully implemented by the end of April. As with all things
>>> bureaucratic, perhaps it did not get implemented on the time line
>> expected!
>>> 
>>> Marion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steven Johnson"<blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> When did this go into effect?  When I flew to get my new guide back in
>>>> May,
>>>> I had none of this occur.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:27 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Swabbing for Explosive Trace Detection
>>>> 
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>    Though I mentioned this in my previous message, swabbing for
>> Explosive
>>>> Trace Detection is done on anyone boarding a plane with an animal. It has
>>>> absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one touches the dog or that
>>>> the
>>>> dog is a service dog. The swab is an absorbent cloth that contains no
>>>> chemical. It is rubbed across the palm of the hands and placed in a
>>>> machine
>>>> that detects trace amounts of explosives.
>>>> 
>>>> Marion
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Margo and Arrow"<margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw:
>>>> [Buddys-dogscoop]Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Well, probably, but they won't swab you if you don't touch the dog.
>>>>> 
>>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cindy Ray"<cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw:
>>>>> [Buddys-dogscoop]Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, I missed the part about that. So what do you do. Oh, you just bring
>>>>>> them through with you, right? So if you do that, then they are going to
>>>>>> have to wand you because who can say what set it off?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the regs state that if you contact your dog while walking through the
>>>>>>> detector and after, they can swab your hands.  You can of curse touch
>>>>>>> the leash because you have to keep your dog under control but you
>> can't
>>>>>>> touch the dog.  also, no longer can we walk through the detector and
>>>>>>> have our dogs at sit and then call them through.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> margo and Arrow----- Original Message ----- From: "The Pawpower Pack"
>>>>>>> <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:53 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [Buddys-dogscoop]
>>>>>>> Fwd:[Blindattic]NewCompanyAnnouncement
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Margo,
>>>>>>>> I was wondering about the swab thing.  When I flew to Montana in
>>>>>>>> April, my SSP (who interprets things into ASL for me) went through
>>>>>>>> security with me.  I had Laveau sit, walked through the detector
>>>>>>>> thing, and then called Laveau.  I turned around and out of nowhere,
>>>>>>>> these huge gloved hands grabbed my hands.  They weren't my SSP's
>>>>>>>> hands, and since I'm Deafblind--  and use ASL tactually-- my ssp
>>>>>>>> couldn't tell me what was going on with some guy basically removing
>>>>>>>> any ability I have for communication.  It was scary.  He was rubbing
>>>>>>>> the cloth thing on my hands, and finally, my SSP explained to me
>> about
>>>>>>>> swabbing.  Next time I'll expect it.
>>>>>>>> If I don't touch my dog while in security, will they still have to do
>>>>>>>> it? I need to find regulations about this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches:
>>>>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Laveau, Baylee,!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Dance, even if you have to warn others to get out of the way first."
>>>>>>>> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> AIM: brissysgirl
>>>>>>>> 
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