[nagdu] crowded trains

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Thu Mar 1 02:53:23 UTC 2012 

Well, Nicole, I hope Marsha gets it because I sure don't get it. What do you mean by your statement?

Cindy

On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:

> Then you're making yourself suffer? Okay, suffer may be a little too strong, but I think that you get what I'm asking.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
> 
> 
>> That is very true about the men giving up their seat for me. And I do say No
>> Thank you, but if someone is so insistent, then what are you going to do? If
>> they are insistent, wouldn't it be rude for me not to take the seat?
>> 
>> It probably bothers me, because I don't want people to see me as the
>> "helpless" blind person. Just because it does bother me, doesn't mean
>> anything really, its more of a me thing.
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:01 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>> 
>> Marsha,
>> The people on the train have probably figured out that some days you are not
>> able to stand and other days you are.
>> They don't have a clue what causes this.
>> I'd just say no thank you when you don't need or want a seat.
>> Also, some of these people may be giving up their seats for their own
>> reasons, a man may think "my dad told me to give my seat toa woman" and
>> since you're a woman well, you get the seat.
>> I'm not real sure why this bothers you. You do have the option to say no
>> thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:56 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>> 
>> That depends on if my vertigo is effecting more that day than normal. If it
>> is yes, if not then no. Does that make sense?
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:33 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] crowded trains
>> 
>> Before I give my answer, do you actually feel safer/more comfortable if you
>> are sitting?
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:04 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] crowded trains
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> An interesting situation to talk about. I am a student at Temple
>>> University
>>> in Philadelphia and live outside of the metro Philly area. This means that
>>> when I go to school I am riding the SEPTA regional rail system. During the
>>> day when I ride to school the trains are usually not crowded. Its in the
>>> evening during rush hour that the train is so crowded its standing room
>>> only. I usually get the same train in the evenings, so some of the people
>>> are use to me by now. I try to get on the same car but this is hard as the
>>> platforms are long and the train might pull up to different places. When I
>>> get on, I know its crowded, and I am okay with standing. But usually
>>> another
>>> passenger insists on them getting up and I sitting down. Some days I need
>>> this as the motion of the train makes my vertigo worse, but most days I
>>> don't need to sit. I have told other riders that it is not necessary for
>>> me
>>> to sit down. I do always have Emma with me. I have never had anyone be
>>> upset
>>> that Emma is lying on their feet because it is crowded.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So I guess my questions are: If its crowded on a train, bus, or whatever,
>>> do
>>> you stand? How do you make other riders less insistent to get up and give
>>> up
>>> their seat?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps its my pride that doesn't like others giving up their seat.
>>> Perhaps
>>> I think if they get up and give me their seat, I am needy and helpless,
>>> and
>>> that poor blind girl that can't stand. Its uncomfortable to say the least.
>> 
>>> I
>>> know people are trying to be nice and polite, and I always Thank them for
>>> the gesture. And even the car conductor has insisted that a passenger or
>>> two
>>> gets up to give me a seat or room for my pup. Like I said these are
>>> typically conductors who do not know me. Really truly and honestly I am
>>> okay
>>> with standing. It's an express train, so for the first 7 stops it does not
>>> stop, and at the first stop a huge lot of people get off.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What would you do? How would you handle this?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ideas, comments, are welcome. Also, it is not an option that I take an
>>> earlier train or a later train. As the earlier one I am in class and the
>>> later doesn't leave my campus for another hour, this is the last of the
>>> rush
>>> hour trains.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Your help is appreciated,
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
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