[nagdu] Promulgating the Myth

Thu Mar 8 03:38:29 UTC 2012

Totally agggreed!  I do know that at NFB centers they have you keepyour dog 
in the room for at least the afternoon.  They say that they encourage you to 
pay attention to the dog.  I have also heard that in some organizations down 
in Arkansas that they go arouhnd and tell you they can get your dog taken 
away at any time!  I heard from a friend of mine that some of the mobility 
instructors were even afraid of dogs and actively discouraged the use of 
them!  Now, whether this do to a certain organization or the institution in 
particular, I can't tell.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Natalie" <nrorrell at qwest.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth


> Hi Larry, et al,
> I wonder if the myth might also stem from the fact that some NFB training 
> programs discourage the use of a guide dog while doing travel lessons? 
> Just curious on that as I've heard a lot of people talk about it.  As for 
> the dog's misbehavior and the handler's lack of charge, this also applies 
> in ACB as well as the independence, though the minority rule does apply. 
> I'd be interested to hear others' thoughts on this.
> Best,
> Nat and Liam Joshua
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth
>
>
>> Or, at least the article reference.  It would help to explain why NFB 
>> some times takes sort of a hard line on dogs.  I have heard some members 
>> who never even had pet dogs complain.  Some of the rational ones did 
>> explain that some folks don't clean up after or let there dogs mis 
>> behave.  I have seen a few folks who really do this but they are in the 
>> minority.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Reinhard Stebner" <raydar11011 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth
>>
>>
>>> Would it be possible to be provided with the link of the Braille Monitor
>>> that this issue was discussed?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:52 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth
>>>
>>> Juanita,
>>>    The reason there is the impression that the NFB is anti guide dog is
>>> that it is in the best interest of another organization to promulgate 
>>> that
>>> myth. In support of this contention, they point to an issue of the 
>>> Braille
>>> Monitor in which there was a very frank discussion of some very serious
>>> issues experienced at one of our national conventions involving several
>>> guide dogs. I was at that convention and know that the issue had a very
>>> serious impact on the image of the NFB as it related to the hospitality
>>> industry, causing us to have challenges securing venues and decent rates 
>>> for
>>>
>>> our convention. This incident and these discussions led to the current
>>> policies we have concerning leaving our dogs unattended in guest rooms
>>> during NFB-sponsored events.
>>>    The NFB is supportive of whatever method of independent travel one
>>> wishes to use. The National Association of Guide Dog Users is one of the
>>> strongest, largest, and fastest growing divisions in the movement!
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>> 813-626-2789
>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Juanita Herrera" <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Michigan Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why do people get the impression that the NFB is antiguide dog? I've
>>>> heard that a lot, and I just found it strange because even my NFB
>>>> chapter president has a guide dog himself. Why do people forpulate
>>>> their own ideas?
>>>> Best,
>>>> Juanita And Anise
>>>>
>>>> On 2/27/12, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Larry & William,
>>>>>     Well, technically, I'm from Michigan - Bay City/Essexville! 
>>>>> (smile)
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> in Tampa, Florida now! I'll bet there are quite a few guide dog users 
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> Great Wolverine State, we just need to shake them out of the woods! 
>>>>> One
>>>>> of
>>>>> the challenges is letting guide dog users know that the NFB is not 
>>>>> anti
>>>>> guide dog, as they are led to believe by those in whose best interest 
>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> to say such things and helping them understand why we need them in our
>>>>> movement. Michigan has some laws that are not congruent with the ADA 
>>>>> that
>>>>> need revising and a Michigan NAGDU division is the best option to 
>>>>> create
>>>>> these changes. Your affiliate leadership is very supportive of 
>>>>> organizing
>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> division, we just need to get the ball rolling.
>>>>>     How about we schedule a conference call and spread the word about 
>>>>> it
>>>>> throughout the state! Pick a date 3 - 4 weeks from now, any day but
>>>>> Thursday, and I will help you get it started. If you want to chat 
>>>>> about
>>>>> it,
>>>>> please give me a call. My contact information is below my signature.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> 813-626-2789
>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:55 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what I'm hoping to find!  I'm getting ready to talk to the 
>>>>>> Ohio
>>>>>> Association and see if they'll let us wonderful folks from up here 
>>>>>> join!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:46 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i'm just curious, but are there any people on this list from 
>>>>>>> Michigan
>>>>>>> (aside from Larry and myself)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Life Hands You A Lemon, Make Lemonaid
>>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
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