[nagdu] Ownership of guide dog

Mon Mar 12 13:06:07 UTC 2012

Lea,
    I respectfully disagree with your assertion that no authority would take 
a blind person's guide dog away. If there is evidence of abuse, they will 
certainly do so. Again, there is no valid justification for any delay in 
transfer of ownership. There are many avenues and protections available for 
the abuse, neglect, or maltreatment of an animal.
    There are no higher instances of abuse, neglect, or maltreatment among 
those who receive training from programs that transfer ownership than those 
that do not. I will also categorically state that a number of consumers have 
experienced unwarranted interference from programs that do not transfer 
ownership, something that does not happen when ownership is gransferred.
fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lea williams" <leanicole1988 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership of guide dog


>I am going to go to Guiding Eyes for the Blind you get your ownership
> of your dog after two years. I do not mind this at all; actually I
> like it like this. I rather make that sacrifice because I have seen a
> person with a guide dog and abuse it. If you have full ownership of
> the dog then the schools can't step in. No A S P C A is going to step
> in and take a blind persons dog away. There would be so much bad press
> with that. I think that if the school sees that the dog is not being
> treated right then take it back and give it to someone who would treat
> it right. This person should not have even had a dog in the first
> place because he got lost all the time and then would blame the dog
> and yank its correction leash so hard that she would stand up nearly
> strait up by the force. Now I am not saying that it is right for the
> school to just come in and take the dog away for no reason but, how do
> we know that there wasn't a reason that they did take the dog away? If
> I got a dog, never used it and let it get fat and out of shape, well
> then I think you don't need one in the first place. I think it is sad
> to see any pet being overweight and making no effort to fix that issue
> is abuse.
>
> On 3/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Hannah,
>>
>>     In the cases about which you are talking, it is justified. However,
>> there have been cases where the handler said that he/she needed some 
>> help, a
>> trainer came to help the handler for a day and said that they would work
>> more the next day, and, the next day, came and took the dog. This is not
>> acceptable. If you would like to read the whole story, I will find it and
>> repost it to the list.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership of guide dog
>>
>>
>>>I think that the school has the right to take your dog if you're not 
>>>taking
>>> care of it or abusing it or not letting it do it's work. A lot of people
>>> do
>>> things like that and I don't think it's right because a lot of time and
>>> expenses are dedicated to guide dogs and guide dog training.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:22 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership of guide dog
>>>
>>> First and foremost, GDB does *initially* retain ownership of the dog, 
>>> but
>>> handlers can request ownership after a year. I have never heard of a 
>>> case
>>> in
>>> which ownership was denied by GDB. I would not exclude GDB from your 
>>> list
>>> of
>>> schools just because of this.
>>>    Second, whether or not the school retains ownership, in my opinion, 
>>> is
>>> not the major issue. A bigger problem is when schools come take your dog
>>> from you without discussing it with you first.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:40 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Ownership of guide dog
>>>
>>>
>>>> What is your opinion of a guide dog Schools retaining ownership of the
>>>> dog
>>>
>>>> after training? I know some schools such as South eastern, and piolet
>>>> dogs
>>>
>>>> give ownership of the guide dog to the student after training. While
>>>> others such as GDB retain ownership. Has the NFB made an offical stance
>>>> concerning this issue? RJ
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