[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 80, Issue 33

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>    1. Traveling iwth a guide dog to Puerto Rico (cheryl echevarria)
>    2. Re: Audible Traffic lights (Tracy Carcione)
>    3. Re: when does your dog want to relieve (GARY STEEVES)
>    4. out and about (Julie J.)
>    5. Re: relieving your dog (GARY STEEVES)
>    6. Re: out and about (Tracy Carcione)
>    7. Re: out and about (Cindy Ray)
>    8. Re: out and about (Tami Kinney)
>    9. Re: SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT: Fake service dogs
>       andthenegativeimpact (Lyn Gwizdak)
>   10. Re: Traveling iwth a guide dog to Puerto Rico (Reinhard Stebner)
>   11. First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Margo and Arrow)
>   12. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Chantel Cuddemi)
>   13. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Reinhard Stebner)
>   14. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Tracy Carcione)
>   15. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
>       (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
>   16. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Margo and Arrow)
>   17. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (rhonda cruz)
>   18. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Steven Johnson)
>   19. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Julie J.)
>   20. Re: out and about (Julie J.)
>   21. Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on a	cruise
>       ship (cheryl echevarria)
>   22. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Sherrill O'Brien)
>   23. Re: Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on a
>       cruise ship (Julie J.)
>   24. Re: Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on a
>       cruise ship (Julie J.)
>   25. Re: Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on	a
>       cruise ship (cheryl echevarria)
>   26. Re: Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on	a
>       cruise ship (cheryl echevarria)
>   27. Re: Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on	a
>       cruise ship (cheryl echevarria)
>   28. Re: Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on a
>       cruise ship (Julie J.)
>   29. Re: Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on	a
>       cruise ship (cheryl echevarria)
>   30. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Margo and Arrow)
>   31. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Buddy Brannan)
>   32. Re: First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US (Margo and Arrow)
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:00:28 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "travelandtourism" <travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>,	"nagdu"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Traveling iwth a guide dog to Puerto Rico
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> As long as you are from the USA, only thing you need to travel to Puerto Rico is a USDA VET Certificate, with vaccinations less then 6 months prior to travel.
> 
> I will be posting shortly on the Certifications and our trip to the Bahamas.
> 
> All went well, but you need to carry the certification with you at all times, even though I sent it to the cruise lines and brought it to cruise lines when we boarded in NY. You must carry the paperwork, once on the land in the destination you are traveling, in my case the Bahamas, the customs people are walking around and will ask to see your paperwork.
> 
> Just an FYI.
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:05:29 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Audible Traffic lights
> Message-ID: <533556ad12bcb4c2a64ed4b1c6b33103.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
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> 
> Aha!  So the trick is to move to Vancouver, into a neighborhood you have
> recently left!
> Tracy
> 
> > Hi Tracy:
> >
> > In order to stem the onslaught of americans who are blind moving to
> > Vancouver (although you are all welcome:), the time between making the
> > request for the  audible signal and it's being put into place can often be
> > several years. The pattern I have found is I move to a new neighbourhood,
> > notice a crosswalk or intersection that I use a lot that doesn't have
> > audible signals, put in the request to city hall and usually several years
> > later, often shortly after I've moved to another neighbourhood, the signal
> > is installed. :) But at least there is a process in place and people open
> > to listening at city hall.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> > Date: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:26 am
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Audible Traffic lights
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >
> >> Gosh, imagine that, just being able to make a request for an audible
> >> signal and having it happen.  I had to badger the county
> >> for 2 years,
> >> threaten them with the DOJ, and enlist the help of a sympathetic town
> >> manager, my state Assemblywoman, and The Seeing Eye.  Maybe
> >> I should move
> >> to Canada.  Much more civilized.
> >> Tracy
> >>
> >> > Hi Marian:
> >> >
> >> > I agree with your comments. In Vancouver I do the same thing.
> >> If I move to
> >> > a new area of the city and find an intersection that is more
> >> challenging,> or honestly just a very busy one, I will put in
> >> the request for audible
> >> > signals. I'd have to say that Vancouver is one of the most
> >> accessible> cities in North America so I think every new light
> >> that goes in or is
> >> > replaced always includes an audible signal. I have also worked
> >> with the
> >> > city to deal with our audible crosswalks to make them so they
> >> don't annoy
> >> > everyone else, especially later in the evening. Some of them
> >> actually have
> >> > lower volumes based on the noise levels around them.
> >> >
> >> > Obviously, as you stated, every intersection with lights
> >> doesn't need
> >> > audible signals which is why I encourage others to help the
> >> city make it's
> >> > priorities by requesting intersections receve that treatmtnet and
> >> > explaining why, from a blind perspective, one feels this would help
> >> > increase safety.
> >> >
> >> > Gary
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
> >> > Date: Monday, November 14, 2011 6:35 pm
> >> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Audible Traffic lights
> >> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >> Users"> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> >
> >> >> Larry,
> >> >>    There is an intersection in our
> >> neighborhood where
> >> >> it is sometimes difficult to tell when the parallel trafic light
> >> >> has changed and it is safe to cross due to the light flow of
> >> >> traffic in the direction of travel. It happens to be so in both
> >> >> the east=-west and north-south directions. Merry and I can stand
> >> >> at the corner through several cycles before getting enough
> >> >> traffic to help us in our crossing. We have discussed
> >> >> petitioning for an audible pedestrian signal at this intersection.
> >> >>    Unfortunately, many blind people believe
> >> that there
> >> >> should be a signal at each and every intersection. After all,
> >> >> they argue, sighted people have the signals to tell them when it
> >> >> is safe, why not have the same advantage for the blind. The
> >> >> reason I oppose the wholesale installation of such signals is
> >> >> because of their cost. It would cost about $73 million to
> >> >> install such signals at only the state highway intersection in
> >> >> Hillsborough County (Tampa) Florida. This does not include the
> >> >> county and city roads. Nor does it include the installation and
> >> >> maintenance of these signals. I think a better approach is how
> >> >> it is done in our county. If a person requests an audible
> >> >> signal, that request is evaluated by a team of people that
> >> >> includes other blind consumers, an O&M professional and traffic
> >> >> engineers. If the decision is made to not install the system,
> >> >> the individual has the right to appeal the decision and present
> >> >> an argument for it. This allows for installations only where
> >> >> they are needed for use by blind consumers and only in places
> >> >> where the ability to cross is hindered by the inability to use
> >> >> naturalistic cues.
> >> >>
> >> >> Fraternally yours,
> >> >> Marion
> >> >>
> >> >> the city
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
> >> >> <lkeeler at comcast.net>To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:12 AM
> >> >> Subject: [nagdu] Audible Traffic lights
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >As I see it, audible traffic lights can deffinetly be a
> >> >> bennefit depending on how and if they work!  I also know
> >> >> that if you are not listening to the traffic as well you can run
> >> >> into serious trouble!  We have 3 that I know about in our
> >> >> city.  one, I have already talked about.  The second
> >> >> is on a trafic corner in which the streets run crooked.
> >> >> That one is easier only if you remember that you can't go
> >> >> straight accross.  Holly is good at helping with
> >> >> that!  The third one is on a good corner downtown and I
> >> >> could probably trust it but still, I always listen and then
> >> >> go.  I have come to realize why some folks really don't
> >> >> like them.  As landmarks however they're pretty good!
> >> >> >Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:24:20 -0800
> From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] when does your dog want to relieve
> Message-ID: <fb8c695fa684d.4ec4e0d4 at shaw.ca>
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> 
> Hi:
> 
> With Bogart there are a couple of things. If we are walking and there is grass on his side he will often pull over and stop. Of course, I've found from time to time, he also does this just to get out of harness and be allowed to sniff around but that is only occassionally on those days when he'd rather be at home sleeping. Usually it's not a problem but when the day is not as normal or we are travelling I've started to notice  that he is always looking off to one side, usually the grassy side, and his guide work suffers like he is distracted. I can sometimes convince him to wait until we are closer to home to do a number 2 (where I know where the garbages are) but if he really can't waight he will keep stopping until I give up which is usually after the second time. When I first got him he did relieve himself in harness a couple of times butthat was in the first couple of months before I understood him better. He still pulled off to the side on the grass to do this so I can't say it was an accident, it was owner not paying enough attention. :)
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Doering <doering at ameritech.net>
> Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:35 am
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> 
> > William,
> > Some signs that the dog needs to relieve are panting and general 
> > nervousness.
> > HTH,
> > JD
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Burley" 
> > <william.burley3 at gmail.com>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the 
> > National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 7:04 AM
> > Subject: [nagdu] Quick Question
> > 
> > 
> > >Good morning.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I have a quick question.  My pup is having some stomach 
> > issues and we're
> > >going to the vet Monday morning.  For future reference, is 
> > there a way that
> > >you guys have taught your dog to alert you when they have to go 
> > out off
> > >schedule?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >My dog is super quiet and I know she's not feeling well, but I 
> > wish there
> > >was a way to get her to alert me rather than just going, even 
> > when sick.
> > >It's happened a couple times yesterday and it's not really 
> > feasible to take
> > >her too many more times than I already do.  The weekend is 
> > OK since I'm not
> > >working but just thought I'd ask for a couple tips.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I don't want to really scold her too heavily since I know she's 
> > ill.  Any
> > >suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:24:52 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] out and about
> Message-ID: <4EC55174.3020405 at neb.rr.com>
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> 
> Today was the first day since I broke my foot that I've been able to 
> leave my home without human assistance!  Yea! I put Monty in his 
> mobility harness and headed out the front door.  We made it to the 
> corner and back without any problems. This is about a block and a half 
> of total actual walking distance.  I've been working on building up the 
> distance I can walk without the crutches.  Up until now, though, I've 
> always had a family member along just in case I would fall or go too far 
> and not be able to make it back.
> 
> For now I'm using the mobility harness because the fixed in place handle 
> helps me a lot to feel more secure on my feet. I can follow his 
> movements well enough using this harness at the speed I am moving.  Also 
> if I bobble a bit this harness along with Monty's ability to brace keeps 
> me from falling.   He's doing great at stopping for every change in the 
> walking surface.  This was not something that I needed before.  For 
> example Monty will now stop when we get to the alley where we change 
> from cement to dirt.  Before I never bothered with teaching him to stop 
> at this sort of change because I just kept on walking with no 
> difficulty.  Now I need to know we are at the alley because the dirt is 
> slightly uneven, but enough that I could misstep.
> 
> Anyway I'm super excited!  Being able to walk this far with Monty means 
> that I will be able to take a cab or have a driver  drop me off at the 
> curb and I'll be able to get into the building on my own.  Well as soon 
> as I figure out how to manage those big heavy doors.  Or I need to teach 
> Monty to find the automatic door opener buttons or something.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:29:41 -0800
> From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving your dog
> Message-ID: <fb9cbf62a2636.4ec4e215 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Oh, I am catching up on mails from recent to past so I'm getting that the person might have been asking about how they know when their dog wants to go outside. I have to say Bogart is lousy at letting  me know. The best I've heard was a barely audible  whine once. Even when he was sick and had the major runs, my only clue in the middle of the night was that he was pacing. We close him in the  living room but I can hear him wandering on the hard wood floors. I brought him into the bedroom and when he kept pacing I took him out and then there was sprinting down the stairs, out the back down the block and the explosion. :)
> 
> Bogart is pretty stoaic but I wish he'd give better signals.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:22 am
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> 
> > I wanted to add that if Belle really, really has to go and no 
> > one is noticing she will jump up on the door.  If Monty 
> > needs to go and I'm not noticing, he will come and bonk me with 
> > his nose 437 times or until I acknowledge him.  When he 
> > gets my attention I ask him to "show me".  He will then 
> > take me to whatever he wants, the empty water dish, the back 
> > door, his food dish, people at the door etc.
> > 
> > I didn't teach either of the dogs these behaviors, well other 
> > than to go outdoors to take care of business.  It's just 
> > their personality to communicate differently.
> > 
> > Julie
> > 
> > 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:34:22 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] out and about
> Message-ID: <58da302766ae49be2f9a525e9ede305e.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Hooray!!!  Ain't it great to be free?!
> 
> Aren't dogs amazing?  It didn't take Ben long to figure out that he had to
> slow down for a big crack in the sidewalk or his clumsy mistress would
> trip over it.  We have a lot of sidewalks where tree roots have lifted
> parts of the walk up.  Now, Ben slows down for them and I don't trip, and
> any sighted friend walking with me often does.
> Tracy
> 
> > Today was the first day since I broke my foot that I've been able to
> > leave my home without human assistance!  Yea! I put Monty in his
> > mobility harness and headed out the front door.  We made it to the
> > corner and back without any problems. This is about a block and a half
> > of total actual walking distance.  I've been working on building up the
> > distance I can walk without the crutches.  Up until now, though, I've
> > always had a family member along just in case I would fall or go too far
> > and not be able to make it back.
> >
> > For now I'm using the mobility harness because the fixed in place handle
> > helps me a lot to feel more secure on my feet. I can follow his
> > movements well enough using this harness at the speed I am moving.  Also
> > if I bobble a bit this harness along with Monty's ability to brace keeps
> > me from falling.   He's doing great at stopping for every change in the
> > walking surface.  This was not something that I needed before.  For
> > example Monty will now stop when we get to the alley where we change
> > from cement to dirt.  Before I never bothered with teaching him to stop
> > at this sort of change because I just kept on walking with no
> > difficulty.  Now I need to know we are at the alley because the dirt is
> > slightly uneven, but enough that I could misstep.
> >
> > Anyway I'm super excited!  Being able to walk this far with Monty means
> > that I will be able to take a cab or have a driver  drop me off at the
> > curb and I'll be able to get into the building on my own.  Well as soon
> > as I figure out how to manage those big heavy doors.  Or I need to teach
> > Monty to find the automatic door opener buttons or something.
> >
> > Julie
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:05:16 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] out and about
> Message-ID: <BFD96050-5D51-444C-88B3-2981C42D571E at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Oh, Julie, what an exciting milestone. Congratulations and happy trails the longer they get.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:23:16 -0800
> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] out and about
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> 
> Julie,
> 
> I am so happy you are free at last! Extra points to Monty for brains and 
> creativity on duty. /grin/
> 
> Keep up the good work, both of you!
> 
> Tami 11/17/2011 10:24 AM, Julie J. wrote:
> > Today was the first day since I broke my foot that I've been able to
> > leave my home without human assistance! Yea! I put Monty in his mobility
> > harness and headed out the front door. We made it to the corner and back
> > without any problems. This is about a block and a half of total actual
> > walking distance. I've been working on building up the distance I can
> > walk without the crutches. Up until now, though, I've always had a
> > family member along just in case I would fall or go too far and not be
> > able to make it back.
> >
> > For now I'm using the mobility harness because the fixed in place handle
> > helps me a lot to feel more secure on my feet. I can follow his
> > movements well enough using this harness at the speed I am moving. Also
> > if I bobble a bit this harness along with Monty's ability to brace keeps
> > me from falling. He's doing great at stopping for every change in the
> > walking surface. This was not something that I needed before. For
> > example Monty will now stop when we get to the alley where we change
> > from cement to dirt. Before I never bothered with teaching him to stop
> > at this sort of change because I just kept on walking with no
> > difficulty. Now I need to know we are at the alley because the dirt is
> > slightly uneven, but enough that I could misstep.
> >
> > Anyway I'm super excited! Being able to walk this far with Monty means
> > that I will be able to take a cab or have a driver drop me off at the
> > curb and I'll be able to get into the building on my own. Well as soon
> > as I figure out how to manage those big heavy doors. Or I need to teach
> > Monty to find the automatic door opener buttons or something.
> >
> > Julie
> >
> >
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:49:57 -0800
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT: Fake service dogs
> 	andthenegativeimpact
> Message-ID: <5FD9BB61A53C42A7BFC0F6EE4140A168 at lindagwizdak>
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> 
> Hi Marion,
> Great idea!  I do think that if managers and employees of places asked these 
> questions, it would cut down on the fake service dogs.  But, I wonder how to 
> GET the employees to ask the questions in the first place?  So many 
> employees don't bother to even come around to ask if we need help - as 
> employees did back before the 1960s.  This was a huge complaint of my Dad's 
> experiences in a place of business.
> 
> The other thing is that store owners and employees - who know what to even 
> ask in the first place - is the fear of making a mistake and risking 
> somebody suiing them.  If the topic of these dogs comes up, I try my best to 
> make the store owners aware of what the law is and that they can throw oout 
> the folks with the fake service dogs - especially the ones who disrupt 
> things and are untrained.  I show them and tell them about the proper 
> behavior of a real service dog.  And they really appreciate that.
> 
> Happy Thanksgiving to all next Thursday!  That is the USA folks.
> 
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT: Fake service dogs 
> andthenegativeimpact
> 
> 
> > Tami,
> >    I think that, if places of public accommodation make it a practice to 
> > ask everyone who enters with a service dog those questions, no matter how 
> > obvious it may seem to them, it will cut down on the abuses by those who 
> > have no place bringing their pet into the entity. JMHO!
> >
> > Marion
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT: Fake service dogs and 
> > thenegativeimpact
> >
> >
> >> Marion,
> >>
> >> Operant conditioning rocks! /lol/
> >>
> >> Thanking employees and commending them to their bosses and companies for 
> >> their good behavior and professionalism, as you and Merry did, always 
> >> seems to me to be an important but of-forgotten facet of education and 
> >> communication.
> >>
> >> I will confess that with my guide dog, I will probably never get over the 
> >> urge to burst out laughing and blurt out, "What does it *look* like she 
> >> does?!" /lol/
> >>
> >> So to overcompensate, I absolutely gush about how wonderful it is that 
> >> this employee did this relatively simple thing so perfectly and superbly 
> >> and they are the greatest person to ever liv... /lol/ I always feel a 
> >> little silly, like I'm going nearly as far as I just mocked myself for 
> >> doing into the realm of absurdity, but... I do beleive it is important to 
> >> remember to do that.
> >>
> >> Also, it's kinda fun, don't you think? /grin/
> >>
> >> Tami
> >>
> >> On 11/15/2011 11:41 AM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
> >>> Merry and I went into a local supermarket the other day. A manager
> >>> approached us to ask if our dogs were service dogs and what service they
> >>> performed. I called the headquarters to tell them how much I appreciated
> >>> them training their employees to ask the right questions. Perhaps if we
> >>> encouraged all places of public accommodation to inquire, even when it
> >>> might seem obvious what service the dog performed, fewer people would
> >>> try to get one over on the places of public accommodation.
> >>>
> >>> fraternally yours,
> >>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:52 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT: Fake service dogs and the
> >>> negativeimpact
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I think it is frightening to read these stories about the fake service
> >>>> dogs. What do they mean in the end for people who truly are using and
> >>>> need their dogs? I truly would hate to see us having to all have
> >>>> identification at the ready to show; and what would that mean for
> >>>> people who are training their own? Would they have to get a doggie
> >>>> drier's license kind of like a state ID? It just seems a shame that
> >>>> people abuse this because their dogs are actually people with four
> >>>> paws? They are not no matter how you dress them up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:54:49 -0500
> From: "Reinhard Stebner" <raydar11011 at yahoo.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling iwth a guide dog to Puerto Rico
> Message-ID: <000001cca584$4ace9360$e06bba20$@yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Thank you very much for this advice!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:00 PM
> To: travelandtourism; nagdu
> Subject: [nagdu] Traveling iwth a guide dog to Puerto Rico
> 
> As long as you are from the USA, only thing you need to travel to Puerto
> Rico is a USDA VET Certificate, with vaccinations less then 6 months prior
> to travel.
> 
> I will be posting shortly on the Certifications and our trip to the Bahamas.
> 
> All went well, but you need to carry the certification with you at all
> times, even though I sent it to the cruise lines and brought it to cruise
> lines when we boarded in NY. You must carry the paperwork, once on the land
> in the destination you are traveling, in my case the Bahamas, the customs
> people are walking around and will ask to see your paperwork.
> 
> Just an FYI.
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
> For daily updates read our blog at
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:57:22 -0500
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> Message-ID: <79746F8C3E6F4591B49BFB23294717E6 at margoda7a829ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives and shows Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this country.  He and Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the guide dog movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide dog schools in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person narrating the video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  Lukas trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also trained wayne and me as a team in 1991.
> 
> Margo and Arrow
> 
>   
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNItSks
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:14:05 -0500
> From: "Chantel Cuddemi" <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> Message-ID: <E03510219C4048CEA8E9BDF6B6544958 at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Wow! What an amazing video! I just listened to it and it was amazing! 
> I can't believe how far the guide dog movement has come since then. It's
> truly amazing. 
> 
> Email: jawsgirl87 at gmail.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:57 AM
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Subject: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives and shows
> Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this country.  He and
> Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the guide dog
> movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide dog schools
> in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person narrating the
> video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  Lukas
> trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also trained wayne
> and me as a team in 1991.
> 
> Margo and Arrow
> 
>   
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNItSks
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:44:26 -0500
> From: "Reinhard Stebner" <raydar11011 at yahoo.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> Message-ID: <00d201cca5ef$ce280dc0$6a782940$@yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> What kind of dog was buddy?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:57 AM
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Subject: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives and shows
> Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this country.  He and
> Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the guide dog
> movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide dog schools
> in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person narrating the
> video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  Lukas
> trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also trained wayne
> and me as a team in 1991.
> 
> Margo and Arrow
> 
>   
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNItSks
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:10:04 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> Message-ID: <994a570256bc9bbb3fff529fd56bf680.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Buddy was a German shepherd!
> Almost all of the first Seeing Eye dogs, and later guide dogs, were
> shepherds.  I still meet people who are surprised that my dog is not a
> shepherd.
> Tracy
> 
> > What kind of dog was buddy?
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 05:20:43 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> Message-ID: <54A6983B62D74DFB99548374F0B5E385 at stanford.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
> 
> And, slightly ironically, GDB has stopped using shepherds.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> 
> > Buddy was a German shepherd!
> > Almost all of the first Seeing Eye dogs, and later guide dogs, were
> > shepherds.  I still meet people who are surprised that my dog is not a
> > shepherd.
> > Tracy
> >
> >> What kind of dog was buddy?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:26:28 -0500
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> Message-ID: <0DEA792A272A42628EA673FF30231062 at margoda7a829ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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> 
> Buddy was a shepherd.  there were several Buddys.  Buddy has been retired as 
> a name at The Seeing eye.
> 
> margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Reinhard Stebner" <raydar11011 at yahoo.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> 
> > What kind of dog was buddy?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Margo and Arrow
> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:57 AM
> > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> > Subject: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> >
> > the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives and 
> > shows
> > Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this country.  He and
> > Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the guide dog
> > movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide dog schools
> > in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person narrating 
> > the
> > video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  Lukas
> > trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also trained 
> > wayne
> > and me as a team in 1991.
> >
> > Margo and Arrow
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNItSks
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 05:31:06 -0800
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> Message-ID: <4ec65e09.4a16b60a.5ca5.2ae6 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Buddy was a germen shepperd.  from the seeing eye.
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Reinhard Stebner" <raydar11011 at yahoo.com
> >To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >Date sent: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:44:26 -0500
> >Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> >What kind of dog was buddy?
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf
> >Of Margo and Arrow
> >Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:57 AM
> >To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> >Subject: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> >the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives 
> and shows
> >Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this 
> country.  He and
> >Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the 
> guide dog
> >movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide 
> dog schools
> >in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person 
> narrating the
> >video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  
> Lukas
> >trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also 
> trained wayne
> >and me as a team in 1991.
> 
> >Margo and Arrow
> 
> 
> 
> >http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNIt
> Sks
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> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:34:54 -0600
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
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> 
> This article gave me chills:)  What an awesome tribute, and just think about
> all of the doors that have been opened in not only the dog guide community,
> but the greater service dog community as well.  Very nicely done!
> 
> Steve 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of rhonda cruz
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:31 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> Buddy was a germen shepperd.  from the seeing eye.
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Reinhard Stebner" <raydar11011 at yahoo.com
> >To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >Date sent: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:44:26 -0500
> >Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> >What kind of dog was buddy?
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf
> >Of Margo and Arrow
> >Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:57 AM
> >To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> >Subject: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> >the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives 
> and shows
> >Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this 
> country.  He and
> >Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the 
> guide dog
> >movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide 
> dog schools
> >in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person 
> narrating the
> >video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  
> Lukas
> >trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also 
> trained wayne
> >and me as a team in 1991.
> 
> >Margo and Arrow
> 
> 
> 
> >http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNIt
> Sks
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> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:45:30 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
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> 
> Thanks for sending this!  It is one of the best videos I have ever seen 
> about guide dogs. I was so pleased when Morris Frank stated that he had 
> confidence, instead of Buddy gave me confidence.  A small difference in 
> words, but a huge difference in meaning.
> 
> Julie
> On 11/18/2011 5:57 AM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
> > the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives and shows Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this country.  He and Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the guide dog movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide dog schools in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person narrating the video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  Lukas trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also trained wayne and me as a team in 1991.
> >
> > Margo and Arrow
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNItSks
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:59:38 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] out and about
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> 
> Tracy, Cindy and Tami,
> 
> Yes it is awesome!  I am so pleased that he is being so careful.  It is 
> a huge relief both that he is working so well and that I am regaining 
> the ability to go and do things.
> 
> It makes me happy to see how excited he is to get to go places and work 
> again.  His entire demeanor changes when I pick up the harness.  He is 
> most definitely a dog that needs a job.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:18:18 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,	"travelandtourism"
> 	<travelandtourism at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on
> 	a	cruise ship
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds2125ADC3224FE530ECA4AAA1C40 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Good morning all:
> 
> Now that I have some time, I will be posting my reviews and experience of my recent cruise and excursions.
> 
> This particular post is in reference to cruising with a guide dog from the prep work, to the onboard experience, this is also in reference to leaving the main land of the US.
> 
> Before I start, yesterday, as I had posted, someone asked me about traveling with their guide dog to Puerto Rico.  Well, since I have yet to take Maxx to PR with us, it was an awakening to the fact, that whenever you leave the mainland of the US, which also includes Canada and Mexico (some people may not have had this issue in the past, but these are the rules per the USDA.) that you must have in your possession a Certified USDA Veterinarian Health Certificate, now when you call your  vet and let them know you are going out of the country, you need to ask if he/she is one, if not they will know where your closest one is, if not there is a listing on the United Stated Department of Agriculture website.
> 
>   Which I am willing to send to NAGDU/travel and tourism the information so that everyone has the link to the as well.
> 
> The link is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml>
> 
> 
> When traveling especially with a service animal, in this case, a cruise.
> 
> Planning ahead, if you know you want to cruise in April starting planning as early as possible.  For those that have cruised before the staterooms are sometimes smaller than a hotel room, and having the room for the dog might be limited.  In this case, even though I will not be doing this again, I asked for an accessible stateroom, some of this might repeat when speaking of traveling period for someone who is disabled.  Because this was a travel agent graduation cruise with Norwegian Cruise Lines, all us travel agents had balcony accommodations, and every level of the ships have an accessible stateroom and no they are not more or less money then those for everyone else.
> 
> When planning your cruise with a guide dog, you need to call like I said way in advanced if you would like an accessible stateroom, there are many people I am glad to say that are traveling, and these rooms go very fast.
> 
> You need to let your travel agent, know you are bring your guide, they will accommodate you but if you don't tell them, they will not know to make a box for your dog to do his business.  Also, they do not put the box in your room, it is a health issue, and no they will not put the boxes on the balconies if you have one.
> 
> On Norwegian Cruise Lines, what they do is they will ask you what kind of stuffing you want in the box, it is a similar box to what we do at convention only smaller.  The placing of it is in a crew area only area. 
> 
> Explanation here:  On a cruise, there is an area every few staterooms in between that the crew move between to take there carts or need to take an elevator to get to the next floor, basically behind the scenes, so near our stateroom there was one of these doors and we were shown the box for the dog.
> 
> Again, depending on the floor you are staying will determine where this is.
> 
> Maxx was confused at first because it was inside and not outside the box, and when Maxx is away anywhere, it takes him at least a day to go do his business, but he finally liked it and all was good.
> 
> You also need to do your homework on where you are going in my case it was Orlando, Great Stirrup Cay (which is Norwegian's own private island in the Bahamas), all the cruise lines have them, and Nassau (Paradise Island) in the Bahamas.
> 
> Orlando is a US State so there is no worry in that of where you want to go on an excursion, we decided not to go anywhere in Orlando, and stay on the ship, and check out the rest of what was available to do.
> 
> We didn't go to Great Stirrup Cay because at the island they bring ship tenders to the ship and that day their was 9 and 10 foot swells and the manager of the island said it was to dangerous to bring the boats out, so we had another day at sea. Also in the same area was Disney and Royal Caribbean and they couldn't get into there islands as well. These private islands are to shallow for the ships to have a pier to port to.
> 
> In the Bahamas, we did have an issue with one of the excursions we wanted to do.  I did call the excursion department with the cruise lines prior to what we wanted to do, and they told me we never had a problem with services animals and our excursions.  Well, I did and the cruise line has been informed, I did give a report back to the Access Department and management upon my return, the good, the bad and the ugly.  They are on it, so that these issues never happen again.
> 
> Anyway the issue we had was, I wanted to go swimming with the dolphins, my sister and brother-in-law, niece and nephew, were cruising with us, and they were going to this.
> 
> So when I registered for this on the ship they had no problem with it, but the following day I was told that I couldn't bring my dog.  This was not from the cruise lines but the people who run the program.  They were going to allow it this once just for me, since I was a travel agent. I said no, and that we were going to do something else.  I have the e-mail from the company themselves of the excuse of why they didn't want to dog there. I mean Maxx was not going to go in the water with the dolphins, the supplier was concerned, since afterwards that in the same area that they have sea lions and that they have a less tolerance for illness and that they were concerned that they would get sick from the dog.
> 
> In either case, I don't do anything that all of you cannot go and do. 
> 
> We went to the Atlantis Resort and it was well worth it, had an awesome time:
> 
> To read more go to:
> 
> http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>
> 
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:29:52 -0500
> From: "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> Message-ID: <KNEKLFLKKIEOLOGJOGDOMEKDHDAA.sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> This is such a well done and poignant video. Those of us who have had Seeing
> Eye dogs really appreciate Lucas Franck's dedication and professional touch
> in everything with which he is involved. Margo, was this on the Seeing Eye
> list, or on their website? Anyway, thanks much for passing it along to us.
> 
> Sherrill
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:57 AM
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Subject: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> 
> the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives and shows
> Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this country.  He and
> Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the guide dog
> movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide dog schools
> in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person narrating the
> video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  Lukas
> trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also trained wayne
> and me as a team in 1991.
> 
> Margo and Arrow
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNItSks
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:51:44 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and
> 	on a	cruise ship
> Message-ID: <4EC67F10.5030707 at neb.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> I could be wrong here, but isn't Puerto Rico part of the U.S.?  Isn't it 
> a territory or commonwealth or something?  I think the same rules should 
> apply as traveling from state to state.
> 
> Julie
> On 11/18/2011 9:18 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
> > Good morning all:
> >
> > Now that I have some time, I will be posting my reviews and experience of my recent cruise and excursions.
> >
> > This particular post is in reference to cruising with a guide dog from the prep work, to the onboard experience, this is also in reference to leaving the main land of the US.
> >
> > Before I start, yesterday, as I had posted, someone asked me about traveling with their guide dog to Puerto Rico.  Well, since I have yet to take Maxx to PR with us, it was an awakening to the fact, that whenever you leave the mainland of the US, which also includes Canada and Mexico (some people may not have had this issue in the past, but these are the rules per the USDA.) that you must have in your possession a Certified USDA Veterinarian Health Certificate, now when you call your  vet and let them know you are going out of the country, you need to ask if he/she is one, if not they will know where your closest one is, if not there is a listing on the United Stated Department of Agriculture website.
> >
> >    Which I am willing to send to NAGDU/travel and tourism the information so that everyone has the link to the as well.
> >
> > The link is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml>
> >
> >
> > When traveling especially with a service animal, in this case, a cruise.
> >
> > Planning ahead, if you know you want to cruise in April starting planning as early as possible.  For those that have cruised before the staterooms are sometimes smaller than a hotel room, and having the room for the dog might be limited.  In this case, even though I will not be doing this again, I asked for an accessible stateroom, some of this might repeat when speaking of traveling period for someone who is disabled.  Because this was a travel agent graduation cruise with Norwegian Cruise Lines, all us travel agents had balcony accommodations, and every level of the ships have an accessible stateroom and no they are not more or less money then those for everyone else.
> >
> > When planning your cruise with a guide dog, you need to call like I said way in advanced if you would like an accessible stateroom, there are many people I am glad to say that are traveling, and these rooms go very fast.
> >
> > You need to let your travel agent, know you are bring your guide, they will accommodate you but if you don't tell them, they will not know to make a box for your dog to do his business.  Also, they do not put the box in your room, it is a health issue, and no they will not put the boxes on the balconies if you have one.
> >
> > On Norwegian Cruise Lines, what they do is they will ask you what kind of stuffing you want in the box, it is a similar box to what we do at convention only smaller.  The placing of it is in a crew area only area.
> >
> > Explanation here:  On a cruise, there is an area every few staterooms in between that the crew move between to take there carts or need to take an elevator to get to the next floor, basically behind the scenes, so near our stateroom there was one of these doors and we were shown the box for the dog.
> >
> > Again, depending on the floor you are staying will determine where this is.
> >
> > Maxx was confused at first because it was inside and not outside the box, and when Maxx is away anywhere, it takes him at least a day to go do his business, but he finally liked it and all was good.
> >
> > You also need to do your homework on where you are going in my case it was Orlando, Great Stirrup Cay (which is Norwegian's own private island in the Bahamas), all the cruise lines have them, and Nassau (Paradise Island) in the Bahamas.
> >
> > Orlando is a US State so there is no worry in that of where you want to go on an excursion, we decided not to go anywhere in Orlando, and stay on the ship, and check out the rest of what was available to do.
> >
> > We didn't go to Great Stirrup Cay because at the island they bring ship tenders to the ship and that day their was 9 and 10 foot swells and the manager of the island said it was to dangerous to bring the boats out, so we had another day at sea. Also in the same area was Disney and Royal Caribbean and they couldn't get into there islands as well. These private islands are to shallow for the ships to have a pier to port to.
> >
> > In the Bahamas, we did have an issue with one of the excursions we wanted to do.  I did call the excursion department with the cruise lines prior to what we wanted to do, and they told me we never had a problem with services animals and our excursions.  Well, I did and the cruise line has been informed, I did give a report back to the Access Department and management upon my return, the good, the bad and the ugly.  They are on it, so that these issues never happen again.
> >
> > Anyway the issue we had was, I wanted to go swimming with the dolphins, my sister and brother-in-law, niece and nephew, were cruising with us, and they were going to this.
> >
> > So when I registered for this on the ship they had no problem with it, but the following day I was told that I couldn't bring my dog.  This was not from the cruise lines but the people who run the program.  They were going to allow it this once just for me, since I was a travel agent. I said no, and that we were going to do something else.  I have the e-mail from the company themselves of the excuse of why they didn't want to dog there. I mean Maxx was not going to go in the water with the dolphins, the supplier was concerned, since afterwards that in the same area that they have sea lions and that they have a less tolerance for illness and that they were concerned that they would get sick from the dog.
> >
> > In either case, I don't do anything that all of you cannot go and do.
> >
> > We went to the Atlantis Resort and it was well worth it, had an awesome time:
> >
> > To read more go to:
> >
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>
> >
> >
> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> > 631-456-5394
> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> >
> > For daily updates read our blog at
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:57:05 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and
> 	on a	cruise ship
> Message-ID: <4EC68051.7000108 at neb.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Will they put the relief box on your balcony if that is what you request?
> 
> Julie
> On 11/18/2011 9:18 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
> > Good morning all:
> >
> > Now that I have some time, I will be posting my reviews and experience of my recent cruise and excursions.
> >
> > This particular post is in reference to cruising with a guide dog from the prep work, to the onboard experience, this is also in reference to leaving the main land of the US.
> >
> > Before I start, yesterday, as I had posted, someone asked me about traveling with their guide dog to Puerto Rico.  Well, since I have yet to take Maxx to PR with us, it was an awakening to the fact, that whenever you leave the mainland of the US, which also includes Canada and Mexico (some people may not have had this issue in the past, but these are the rules per the USDA.) that you must have in your possession a Certified USDA Veterinarian Health Certificate, now when you call your  vet and let them know you are going out of the country, you need to ask if he/she is one, if not they will know where your closest one is, if not there is a listing on the United Stated Department of Agriculture website.
> >
> >    Which I am willing to send to NAGDU/travel and tourism the information so that everyone has the link to the as well.
> >
> > The link is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml>
> >
> >
> > When traveling especially with a service animal, in this case, a cruise.
> >
> > Planning ahead, if you know you want to cruise in April starting planning as early as possible.  For those that have cruised before the staterooms are sometimes smaller than a hotel room, and having the room for the dog might be limited.  In this case, even though I will not be doing this again, I asked for an accessible stateroom, some of this might repeat when speaking of traveling period for someone who is disabled.  Because this was a travel agent graduation cruise with Norwegian Cruise Lines, all us travel agents had balcony accommodations, and every level of the ships have an accessible stateroom and no they are not more or less money then those for everyone else.
> >
> > When planning your cruise with a guide dog, you need to call like I said way in advanced if you would like an accessible stateroom, there are many people I am glad to say that are traveling, and these rooms go very fast.
> >
> > You need to let your travel agent, know you are bring your guide, they will accommodate you but if you don't tell them, they will not know to make a box for your dog to do his business.  Also, they do not put the box in your room, it is a health issue, and no they will not put the boxes on the balconies if you have one.
> >
> > On Norwegian Cruise Lines, what they do is they will ask you what kind of stuffing you want in the box, it is a similar box to what we do at convention only smaller.  The placing of it is in a crew area only area.
> >
> > Explanation here:  On a cruise, there is an area every few staterooms in between that the crew move between to take there carts or need to take an elevator to get to the next floor, basically behind the scenes, so near our stateroom there was one of these doors and we were shown the box for the dog.
> >
> > Again, depending on the floor you are staying will determine where this is.
> >
> > Maxx was confused at first because it was inside and not outside the box, and when Maxx is away anywhere, it takes him at least a day to go do his business, but he finally liked it and all was good.
> >
> > You also need to do your homework on where you are going in my case it was Orlando, Great Stirrup Cay (which is Norwegian's own private island in the Bahamas), all the cruise lines have them, and Nassau (Paradise Island) in the Bahamas.
> >
> > Orlando is a US State so there is no worry in that of where you want to go on an excursion, we decided not to go anywhere in Orlando, and stay on the ship, and check out the rest of what was available to do.
> >
> > We didn't go to Great Stirrup Cay because at the island they bring ship tenders to the ship and that day their was 9 and 10 foot swells and the manager of the island said it was to dangerous to bring the boats out, so we had another day at sea. Also in the same area was Disney and Royal Caribbean and they couldn't get into there islands as well. These private islands are to shallow for the ships to have a pier to port to.
> >
> > In the Bahamas, we did have an issue with one of the excursions we wanted to do.  I did call the excursion department with the cruise lines prior to what we wanted to do, and they told me we never had a problem with services animals and our excursions.  Well, I did and the cruise line has been informed, I did give a report back to the Access Department and management upon my return, the good, the bad and the ugly.  They are on it, so that these issues never happen again.
> >
> > Anyway the issue we had was, I wanted to go swimming with the dolphins, my sister and brother-in-law, niece and nephew, were cruising with us, and they were going to this.
> >
> > So when I registered for this on the ship they had no problem with it, but the following day I was told that I couldn't bring my dog.  This was not from the cruise lines but the people who run the program.  They were going to allow it this once just for me, since I was a travel agent. I said no, and that we were going to do something else.  I have the e-mail from the company themselves of the excuse of why they didn't want to dog there. I mean Maxx was not going to go in the water with the dolphins, the supplier was concerned, since afterwards that in the same area that they have sea lions and that they have a less tolerance for illness and that they were concerned that they would get sick from the dog.
> >
> > In either case, I don't do anything that all of you cannot go and do.
> >
> > We went to the Atlantis Resort and it was well worth it, had an awesome time:
> >
> > To read more go to:
> >
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>
> >
> >
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> >
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> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:57:24 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and
> 	on	a	cruise ship
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds1380C609A711E5FABB2ED4A1C40 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Julie:
> 
> Yes, Puerto Rico is part of the United States, but you are off of the mainland, I was on the phone for an hour with our US Department of Agriculture and also Puerto Rico's we had had a conference call.
> 
> Once you leave the mainland, same with Hawaii, you need a health certificate, you do not need a permit to enter.
> 
> So, since I am the professional here, this the information from our government, I covered all area of this.
> 
> I had a person who works for one of the guide dogs schools contact me on facebook about it.
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Julie J.<mailto:julielj at neb.rr.com> 
>   To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>   Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:51 AM
>   Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on a cruise ship
> 
> 
>   I could be wrong here, but isn't Puerto Rico part of the U.S.?  Isn't it 
>   a territory or commonwealth or something?  I think the same rules should 
>   apply as traveling from state to state.
> 
>   Julie
>   On 11/18/2011 9:18 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>   > Good morning all:
>   >
>   > Now that I have some time, I will be posting my reviews and experience of my recent cruise and excursions.
>   >
>   > This particular post is in reference to cruising with a guide dog from the prep work, to the onboard experience, this is also in reference to leaving the main land of the US.
>   >
>   > Before I start, yesterday, as I had posted, someone asked me about traveling with their guide dog to Puerto Rico.  Well, since I have yet to take Maxx to PR with us, it was an awakening to the fact, that whenever you leave the mainland of the US, which also includes Canada and Mexico (some people may not have had this issue in the past, but these are the rules per the USDA.) that you must have in your possession a Certified USDA Veterinarian Health Certificate, now when you call your  vet and let them know you are going out of the country, you need to ask if he/she is one, if not they will know where your closest one is, if not there is a listing on the United Stated Department of Agriculture website.
>   >
>   >    Which I am willing to send to NAGDU/travel and tourism the information so that everyone has the link to the as well.
>   >
>   > The link is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml%3Chttp://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml>>
>   >
>   >
>   > When traveling especially with a service animal, in this case, a cruise.
>   >
>   > Planning ahead, if you know you want to cruise in April starting planning as early as possible.  For those that have cruised before the staterooms are sometimes smaller than a hotel room, and having the room for the dog might be limited.  In this case, even though I will not be doing this again, I asked for an accessible stateroom, some of this might repeat when speaking of traveling period for someone who is disabled.  Because this was a travel agent graduation cruise with Norwegian Cruise Lines, all us travel agents had balcony accommodations, and every level of the ships have an accessible stateroom and no they are not more or less money then those for everyone else.
>   >
>   > When planning your cruise with a guide dog, you need to call like I said way in advanced if you would like an accessible stateroom, there are many people I am glad to say that are traveling, and these rooms go very fast.
>   >
>   > You need to let your travel agent, know you are bring your guide, they will accommodate you but if you don't tell them, they will not know to make a box for your dog to do his business.  Also, they do not put the box in your room, it is a health issue, and no they will not put the boxes on the balconies if you have one.
>   >
>   > On Norwegian Cruise Lines, what they do is they will ask you what kind of stuffing you want in the box, it is a similar box to what we do at convention only smaller.  The placing of it is in a crew area only area.
>   >
>   > Explanation here:  On a cruise, there is an area every few staterooms in between that the crew move between to take there carts or need to take an elevator to get to the next floor, basically behind the scenes, so near our stateroom there was one of these doors and we were shown the box for the dog.
>   >
>   > Again, depending on the floor you are staying will determine where this is.
>   >
>   > Maxx was confused at first because it was inside and not outside the box, and when Maxx is away anywhere, it takes him at least a day to go do his business, but he finally liked it and all was good.
>   >
>   > You also need to do your homework on where you are going in my case it was Orlando, Great Stirrup Cay (which is Norwegian's own private island in the Bahamas), all the cruise lines have them, and Nassau (Paradise Island) in the Bahamas.
>   >
>   > Orlando is a US State so there is no worry in that of where you want to go on an excursion, we decided not to go anywhere in Orlando, and stay on the ship, and check out the rest of what was available to do.
>   >
>   > We didn't go to Great Stirrup Cay because at the island they bring ship tenders to the ship and that day their was 9 and 10 foot swells and the manager of the island said it was to dangerous to bring the boats out, so we had another day at sea. Also in the same area was Disney and Royal Caribbean and they couldn't get into there islands as well. These private islands are to shallow for the ships to have a pier to port to.
>   >
>   > In the Bahamas, we did have an issue with one of the excursions we wanted to do.  I did call the excursion department with the cruise lines prior to what we wanted to do, and they told me we never had a problem with services animals and our excursions.  Well, I did and the cruise line has been informed, I did give a report back to the Access Department and management upon my return, the good, the bad and the ugly.  They are on it, so that these issues never happen again.
>   >
>   > Anyway the issue we had was, I wanted to go swimming with the dolphins, my sister and brother-in-law, niece and nephew, were cruising with us, and they were going to this.
>   >
>   > So when I registered for this on the ship they had no problem with it, but the following day I was told that I couldn't bring my dog.  This was not from the cruise lines but the people who run the program.  They were going to allow it this once just for me, since I was a travel agent. I said no, and that we were going to do something else.  I have the e-mail from the company themselves of the excuse of why they didn't want to dog there. I mean Maxx was not going to go in the water with the dolphins, the supplier was concerned, since afterwards that in the same area that they have sea lions and that they have a less tolerance for illness and that they were concerned that they would get sick from the dog.
>   >
>   > In either case, I don't do anything that all of you cannot go and do.
>   >
>   > We went to the Atlantis Resort and it was well worth it, had an awesome time:
>   >
>   > To read more go to:
>   >
>   > http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>>
>   >
>   >
>   > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>   >
>   > Cheryl Echevarria
>   > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
>   > 631-456-5394
>   > reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
>   >
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> Message: 26
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:59:09 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and
> 	on	a	cruise ship
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds5E298BBDC083AF9871717A1C40 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> State to state here on the Continental US Boarders you are correct, we don't need a health certificate lets say if you are flying or driving from NY to FL or Nebraska, but you are leaving the Continental US. Same thing applies to the US Virgin Islands such as St. Thomas, St. John and St. Croix, you don't need a permit just a Health Certificate.
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
> For daily updates read our blog at
> http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Julie J.<mailto:julielj at neb.rr.com> 
>   To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>   Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:51 AM
>   Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on a cruise ship
> 
> 
>   I could be wrong here, but isn't Puerto Rico part of the U.S.?  Isn't it 
>   a territory or commonwealth or something?  I think the same rules should 
>   apply as traveling from state to state.
> 
>   Julie
>   On 11/18/2011 9:18 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>   > Good morning all:
>   >
>   > Now that I have some time, I will be posting my reviews and experience of my recent cruise and excursions.
>   >
>   > This particular post is in reference to cruising with a guide dog from the prep work, to the onboard experience, this is also in reference to leaving the main land of the US.
>   >
>   > Before I start, yesterday, as I had posted, someone asked me about traveling with their guide dog to Puerto Rico.  Well, since I have yet to take Maxx to PR with us, it was an awakening to the fact, that whenever you leave the mainland of the US, which also includes Canada and Mexico (some people may not have had this issue in the past, but these are the rules per the USDA.) that you must have in your possession a Certified USDA Veterinarian Health Certificate, now when you call your  vet and let them know you are going out of the country, you need to ask if he/she is one, if not they will know where your closest one is, if not there is a listing on the United Stated Department of Agriculture website.
>   >
>   >    Which I am willing to send to NAGDU/travel and tourism the information so that everyone has the link to the as well.
>   >
>   > The link is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml%3Chttp://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml>>
>   >
>   >
>   > When traveling especially with a service animal, in this case, a cruise.
>   >
>   > Planning ahead, if you know you want to cruise in April starting planning as early as possible.  For those that have cruised before the staterooms are sometimes smaller than a hotel room, and having the room for the dog might be limited.  In this case, even though I will not be doing this again, I asked for an accessible stateroom, some of this might repeat when speaking of traveling period for someone who is disabled.  Because this was a travel agent graduation cruise with Norwegian Cruise Lines, all us travel agents had balcony accommodations, and every level of the ships have an accessible stateroom and no they are not more or less money then those for everyone else.
>   >
>   > When planning your cruise with a guide dog, you need to call like I said way in advanced if you would like an accessible stateroom, there are many people I am glad to say that are traveling, and these rooms go very fast.
>   >
>   > You need to let your travel agent, know you are bring your guide, they will accommodate you but if you don't tell them, they will not know to make a box for your dog to do his business.  Also, they do not put the box in your room, it is a health issue, and no they will not put the boxes on the balconies if you have one.
>   >
>   > On Norwegian Cruise Lines, what they do is they will ask you what kind of stuffing you want in the box, it is a similar box to what we do at convention only smaller.  The placing of it is in a crew area only area.
>   >
>   > Explanation here:  On a cruise, there is an area every few staterooms in between that the crew move between to take there carts or need to take an elevator to get to the next floor, basically behind the scenes, so near our stateroom there was one of these doors and we were shown the box for the dog.
>   >
>   > Again, depending on the floor you are staying will determine where this is.
>   >
>   > Maxx was confused at first because it was inside and not outside the box, and when Maxx is away anywhere, it takes him at least a day to go do his business, but he finally liked it and all was good.
>   >
>   > You also need to do your homework on where you are going in my case it was Orlando, Great Stirrup Cay (which is Norwegian's own private island in the Bahamas), all the cruise lines have them, and Nassau (Paradise Island) in the Bahamas.
>   >
>   > Orlando is a US State so there is no worry in that of where you want to go on an excursion, we decided not to go anywhere in Orlando, and stay on the ship, and check out the rest of what was available to do.
>   >
>   > We didn't go to Great Stirrup Cay because at the island they bring ship tenders to the ship and that day their was 9 and 10 foot swells and the manager of the island said it was to dangerous to bring the boats out, so we had another day at sea. Also in the same area was Disney and Royal Caribbean and they couldn't get into there islands as well. These private islands are to shallow for the ships to have a pier to port to.
>   >
>   > In the Bahamas, we did have an issue with one of the excursions we wanted to do.  I did call the excursion department with the cruise lines prior to what we wanted to do, and they told me we never had a problem with services animals and our excursions.  Well, I did and the cruise line has been informed, I did give a report back to the Access Department and management upon my return, the good, the bad and the ugly.  They are on it, so that these issues never happen again.
>   >
>   > Anyway the issue we had was, I wanted to go swimming with the dolphins, my sister and brother-in-law, niece and nephew, were cruising with us, and they were going to this.
>   >
>   > So when I registered for this on the ship they had no problem with it, but the following day I was told that I couldn't bring my dog.  This was not from the cruise lines but the people who run the program.  They were going to allow it this once just for me, since I was a travel agent. I said no, and that we were going to do something else.  I have the e-mail from the company themselves of the excuse of why they didn't want to dog there. I mean Maxx was not going to go in the water with the dolphins, the supplier was concerned, since afterwards that in the same area that they have sea lions and that they have a less tolerance for illness and that they were concerned that they would get sick from the dog.
>   >
>   > In either case, I don't do anything that all of you cannot go and do.
>   >
>   > We went to the Atlantis Resort and it was well worth it, had an awesome time:
>   >
>   > To read more go to:
>   >
>   > http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>>
>   >
>   >
>   > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>   >
>   > Cheryl Echevarria
>   > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
>   > 631-456-5394
>   > reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
>   >
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> 
> Message: 27
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:07:55 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and
> 	on	a	cruise ship
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds8F7888AF5AF6436D695B8A1C40 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> NO they will not.
> 
> It isn't safe, and in case of bad weather or heavy seas, the stuff and fall into the water. In the past, many cruise lines would allow it but now, because of health and safety issues, and the Eco system of the ocean, they are not allowing it any longer.
> 
> Also, the crew of the ship takes care of the business area, they change the filling every other day. They also have a can there, where you can get rid of the number 2 in.
> 
> Also, FYI, Maxx had an accident, it happens, I always carry a busy bag with me, but please let any crew member know they are walking around just in case, they must sanitize the area.  You hear people getting sick on cruise ships, in another report I am doing, and if you want to follow it, will be on the travel and tourism, as well as my blog, since it doesn't pertain to guide dogs. That is because people do not wash their hands before they eat that is why they have people wanting to spray your hands on the ships or sanitizers around the ships. 
> 
> For those who have cruised in the past, mother nature is not always smooth sailing, even with the ships having great stabilizers on them.  It is safer to have the box inside then outside.
> 
> Now in the past when we (travel agents) do a ship inspection, meaning that when the ship is in port, we take a tour of ships and they will put the box outside, but will not put them in the rooms or on the balconies any longer.
> 
> If someone is reading this and saying well my cruise ship allowed this, they are changing this policy.
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Julie J.<mailto:julielj at neb.rr.com> 
>   To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>   Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:57 AM
>   Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on a cruise ship
> 
> 
>   Will they put the relief box on your balcony if that is what you request?
> 
>   Julie
>   On 11/18/2011 9:18 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>   > Good morning all:
>   >
>   > Now that I have some time, I will be posting my reviews and experience of my recent cruise and excursions.
>   >
>   > This particular post is in reference to cruising with a guide dog from the prep work, to the onboard experience, this is also in reference to leaving the main land of the US.
>   >
>   > Before I start, yesterday, as I had posted, someone asked me about traveling with their guide dog to Puerto Rico.  Well, since I have yet to take Maxx to PR with us, it was an awakening to the fact, that whenever you leave the mainland of the US, which also includes Canada and Mexico (some people may not have had this issue in the past, but these are the rules per the USDA.) that you must have in your possession a Certified USDA Veterinarian Health Certificate, now when you call your  vet and let them know you are going out of the country, you need to ask if he/she is one, if not they will know where your closest one is, if not there is a listing on the United Stated Department of Agriculture website.
>   >
>   >    Which I am willing to send to NAGDU/travel and tourism the information so that everyone has the link to the as well.
>   >
>   > The link is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml%3Chttp://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml>>
>   >
>   >
>   > When traveling especially with a service animal, in this case, a cruise.
>   >
>   > Planning ahead, if you know you want to cruise in April starting planning as early as possible.  For those that have cruised before the staterooms are sometimes smaller than a hotel room, and having the room for the dog might be limited.  In this case, even though I will not be doing this again, I asked for an accessible stateroom, some of this might repeat when speaking of traveling period for someone who is disabled.  Because this was a travel agent graduation cruise with Norwegian Cruise Lines, all us travel agents had balcony accommodations, and every level of the ships have an accessible stateroom and no they are not more or less money then those for everyone else.
>   >
>   > When planning your cruise with a guide dog, you need to call like I said way in advanced if you would like an accessible stateroom, there are many people I am glad to say that are traveling, and these rooms go very fast.
>   >
>   > You need to let your travel agent, know you are bring your guide, they will accommodate you but if you don't tell them, they will not know to make a box for your dog to do his business.  Also, they do not put the box in your room, it is a health issue, and no they will not put the boxes on the balconies if you have one.
>   >
>   > On Norwegian Cruise Lines, what they do is they will ask you what kind of stuffing you want in the box, it is a similar box to what we do at convention only smaller.  The placing of it is in a crew area only area.
>   >
>   > Explanation here:  On a cruise, there is an area every few staterooms in between that the crew move between to take there carts or need to take an elevator to get to the next floor, basically behind the scenes, so near our stateroom there was one of these doors and we were shown the box for the dog.
>   >
>   > Again, depending on the floor you are staying will determine where this is.
>   >
>   > Maxx was confused at first because it was inside and not outside the box, and when Maxx is away anywhere, it takes him at least a day to go do his business, but he finally liked it and all was good.
>   >
>   > You also need to do your homework on where you are going in my case it was Orlando, Great Stirrup Cay (which is Norwegian's own private island in the Bahamas), all the cruise lines have them, and Nassau (Paradise Island) in the Bahamas.
>   >
>   > Orlando is a US State so there is no worry in that of where you want to go on an excursion, we decided not to go anywhere in Orlando, and stay on the ship, and check out the rest of what was available to do.
>   >
>   > We didn't go to Great Stirrup Cay because at the island they bring ship tenders to the ship and that day their was 9 and 10 foot swells and the manager of the island said it was to dangerous to bring the boats out, so we had another day at sea. Also in the same area was Disney and Royal Caribbean and they couldn't get into there islands as well. These private islands are to shallow for the ships to have a pier to port to.
>   >
>   > In the Bahamas, we did have an issue with one of the excursions we wanted to do.  I did call the excursion department with the cruise lines prior to what we wanted to do, and they told me we never had a problem with services animals and our excursions.  Well, I did and the cruise line has been informed, I did give a report back to the Access Department and management upon my return, the good, the bad and the ugly.  They are on it, so that these issues never happen again.
>   >
>   > Anyway the issue we had was, I wanted to go swimming with the dolphins, my sister and brother-in-law, niece and nephew, were cruising with us, and they were going to this.
>   >
>   > So when I registered for this on the ship they had no problem with it, but the following day I was told that I couldn't bring my dog.  This was not from the cruise lines but the people who run the program.  They were going to allow it this once just for me, since I was a travel agent. I said no, and that we were going to do something else.  I have the e-mail from the company themselves of the excuse of why they didn't want to dog there. I mean Maxx was not going to go in the water with the dolphins, the supplier was concerned, since afterwards that in the same area that they have sea lions and that they have a less tolerance for illness and that they were concerned that they would get sick from the dog.
>   >
>   > In either case, I don't do anything that all of you cannot go and do.
>   >
>   > We went to the Atlantis Resort and it was well worth it, had an awesome time:
>   >
>   > To read more go to:
>   >
>   > http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>>
>   >
>   >
>   > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>   >
>   > Cheryl Echevarria
>   > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
>   > 631-456-5394
>   > reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
>   >
>   > For daily updates read our blog at
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> Message: 28
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:42:48 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and
> 	on a	cruise ship
> Message-ID: <4EC68B08.2050903 at neb.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Cheryl,
> 
> Yes, I realize that you are a travel professional.  I know also as a 
> professional that you understand that people have questions.  Sometimes 
> those questions seem obvious to you, but you still maintain your 
> professionalism in answering courteously and respectfully.
> 
> I wasn't disputing your information or your expertise.  I completely 
> understand what you are saying about the current documentation necessary 
> when traveling.  I still maintain that just like the case of Hawaii, it 
> is a conflict of state laws and federal laws.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> On 11/18/2011 9:57 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
> > Julie:
> >
> > Yes, Puerto Rico is part of the United States, but you are off of the mainland, I was on the phone for an hour with our US Department of Agriculture and also Puerto Rico's we had had a conference call.
> >
> > Once you leave the mainland, same with Hawaii, you need a health certificate, you do not need a permit to enter.
> >
> > So, since I am the professional here, this the information from our government, I covered all area of this.
> >
> > I had a person who works for one of the guide dogs schools contact me on facebook about it.
> >
> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> > 631-456-5394
> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> >
> > For daily updates read our blog at
> > http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>
> >    ----- Original Message -----
> >    From: Julie J.<mailto:julielj at neb.rr.com>
> >    To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >    Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:51 AM
> >    Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on a cruise ship
> >
> >
> >    I could be wrong here, but isn't Puerto Rico part of the U.S.?  Isn't it
> >    a territory or commonwealth or something?  I think the same rules should
> >    apply as traveling from state to state.
> >
> >    Julie
> >    On 11/18/2011 9:18 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
> >    >  Good morning all:
> >    >
> >    >  Now that I have some time, I will be posting my reviews and experience of my recent cruise and excursions.
> >    >
> >    >  This particular post is in reference to cruising with a guide dog from the prep work, to the onboard experience, this is also in reference to leaving the main land of the US.
> >    >
> >    >  Before I start, yesterday, as I had posted, someone asked me about traveling with their guide dog to Puerto Rico.  Well, since I have yet to take Maxx to PR with us, it was an awakening to the fact, that whenever you leave the mainland of the US, which also includes Canada and Mexico (some people may not have had this issue in the past, but these are the rules per the USDA.) that you must have in your possession a Certified USDA Veterinarian Health Certificate, now when you call your  vet and let them know you are going out of the country, you need to ask if he/she is one, if not they will know where your closest one is, if not there is a listing on the United Stated Department of Agriculture website.
> >    >
> >    >     Which I am willing to send to NAGDU/travel and tourism the information so that everyone has the link to the as well.
> >    >
> >    >  The link is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml%3Chttp://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml>>
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >  When traveling especially with a service animal, in this case, a cruise.
> >    >
> >    >  Planning ahead, if you know you want to cruise in April starting planning as early as possible.  For those that have cruised before the staterooms are sometimes smaller than a hotel room, and having the room for the dog might be limited.  In this case, even though I will not be doing this again, I asked for an accessible stateroom, some of this might repeat when speaking of traveling period for someone who is disabled.  Because this was a travel agent graduation cruise with Norwegian Cruise Lines, all us travel agents had balcony accommodations, and every level of the ships have an accessible stateroom and no they are not more or less money then those for everyone else.
> >    >
> >    >  When planning your cruise with a guide dog, you need to call like I said way in advanced if you would like an accessible stateroom, there are many people I am glad to say that are traveling, and these rooms go very fast.
> >    >
> >    >  You need to let your travel agent, know you are bring your guide, they will accommodate you but if you don't tell them, they will not know to make a box for your dog to do his business.  Also, they do not put the box in your room, it is a health issue, and no they will not put the boxes on the balconies if you have one.
> >    >
> >    >  On Norwegian Cruise Lines, what they do is they will ask you what kind of stuffing you want in the box, it is a similar box to what we do at convention only smaller.  The placing of it is in a crew area only area.
> >    >
> >    >  Explanation here:  On a cruise, there is an area every few staterooms in between that the crew move between to take there carts or need to take an elevator to get to the next floor, basically behind the scenes, so near our stateroom there was one of these doors and we were shown the box for the dog.
> >    >
> >    >  Again, depending on the floor you are staying will determine where this is.
> >    >
> >    >  Maxx was confused at first because it was inside and not outside the box, and when Maxx is away anywhere, it takes him at least a day to go do his business, but he finally liked it and all was good.
> >    >
> >    >  You also need to do your homework on where you are going in my case it was Orlando, Great Stirrup Cay (which is Norwegian's own private island in the Bahamas), all the cruise lines have them, and Nassau (Paradise Island) in the Bahamas.
> >    >
> >    >  Orlando is a US State so there is no worry in that of where you want to go on an excursion, we decided not to go anywhere in Orlando, and stay on the ship, and check out the rest of what was available to do.
> >    >
> >    >  We didn't go to Great Stirrup Cay because at the island they bring ship tenders to the ship and that day their was 9 and 10 foot swells and the manager of the island said it was to dangerous to bring the boats out, so we had another day at sea. Also in the same area was Disney and Royal Caribbean and they couldn't get into there islands as well. These private islands are to shallow for the ships to have a pier to port to.
> >    >
> >    >  In the Bahamas, we did have an issue with one of the excursions we wanted to do.  I did call the excursion department with the cruise lines prior to what we wanted to do, and they told me we never had a problem with services animals and our excursions.  Well, I did and the cruise line has been informed, I did give a report back to the Access Department and management upon my return, the good, the bad and the ugly.  They are on it, so that these issues never happen again.
> >    >
> >    >  Anyway the issue we had was, I wanted to go swimming with the dolphins, my sister and brother-in-law, niece and nephew, were cruising with us, and they were going to this.
> >    >
> >    >  So when I registered for this on the ship they had no problem with it, but the following day I was told that I couldn't bring my dog.  This was not from the cruise lines but the people who run the program.  They were going to allow it this once just for me, since I was a travel agent. I said no, and that we were going to do something else.  I have the e-mail from the company themselves of the excuse of why they didn't want to dog there. I mean Maxx was not going to go in the water with the dolphins, the supplier was concerned, since afterwards that in the same area that they have sea lions and that they have a less tolerance for illness and that they were concerned that they would get sick from the dog.
> >    >
> >    >  In either case, I don't do anything that all of you cannot go and do.
> >    >
> >    >  We went to the Atlantis Resort and it was well worth it, had an awesome time:
> >    >
> >    >  To read more go to:
> >    >
> >    >  http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>>
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >  Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >    >
> >    >  Cheryl Echevarria
> >    >  http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> >    >  631-456-5394
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> >    >
> >    >  For daily updates read our blog at
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 29
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:46:52 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and
> 	on	a	cruise ship
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds844783839B2D7A7DB524BA1C40 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I wasn't being rude, I was just stating a fact.
> 
> Unfortunately, we cannot know in what tone a person is talking when typing, as you have mentioned in the past, but knowing the person.
> 
> So for that reason I answered your question as the best I could.
> 
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
> For daily updates read our blog at
> http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Julie J.<mailto:julielj at neb.rr.com> 
>   To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>   Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:42 AM
>   Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on a cruise ship
> 
> 
>   Cheryl,
> 
>   Yes, I realize that you are a travel professional.  I know also as a 
>   professional that you understand that people have questions.  Sometimes 
>   those questions seem obvious to you, but you still maintain your 
>   professionalism in answering courteously and respectfully.
> 
>   I wasn't disputing your information or your expertise.  I completely 
>   understand what you are saying about the current documentation necessary 
>   when traveling.  I still maintain that just like the case of Hawaii, it 
>   is a conflict of state laws and federal laws.
> 
>   Julie
> 
> 
>   On 11/18/2011 9:57 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>   > Julie:
>   >
>   > Yes, Puerto Rico is part of the United States, but you are off of the mainland, I was on the phone for an hour with our US Department of Agriculture and also Puerto Rico's we had had a conference call.
>   >
>   > Once you leave the mainland, same with Hawaii, you need a health certificate, you do not need a permit to enter.
>   >
>   > So, since I am the professional here, this the information from our government, I covered all area of this.
>   >
>   > I had a person who works for one of the guide dogs schools contact me on facebook about it.
>   >
>   > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>   >
>   > Cheryl Echevarria
>   > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
>   > 631-456-5394
>   > reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
>   >
>   > For daily updates read our blog at
>   > http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com/>>
>   >    ----- Original Message -----
>   >    From: Julie J.<mailto:julielj at neb.rr.com<mailto:julielj at neb.rr.com>>
>   >    To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>   >    Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:51 AM
>   >    Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling with a guide dog out of the country and on a cruise ship
>   >
>   >
>   >    I could be wrong here, but isn't Puerto Rico part of the U.S.?  Isn't it
>   >    a territory or commonwealth or something?  I think the same rules should
>   >    apply as traveling from state to state.
>   >
>   >    Julie
>   >    On 11/18/2011 9:18 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>   >    >  Good morning all:
>   >    >
>   >    >  Now that I have some time, I will be posting my reviews and experience of my recent cruise and excursions.
>   >    >
>   >    >  This particular post is in reference to cruising with a guide dog from the prep work, to the onboard experience, this is also in reference to leaving the main land of the US.
>   >    >
>   >    >  Before I start, yesterday, as I had posted, someone asked me about traveling with their guide dog to Puerto Rico.  Well, since I have yet to take Maxx to PR with us, it was an awakening to the fact, that whenever you leave the mainland of the US, which also includes Canada and Mexico (some people may not have had this issue in the past, but these are the rules per the USDA.) that you must have in your possession a Certified USDA Veterinarian Health Certificate, now when you call your  vet and let them know you are going out of the country, you need to ask if he/she is one, if not they will know where your closest one is, if not there is a listing on the United Stated Department of Agriculture website.
>   >    >
>   >    >     Which I am willing to send to NAGDU/travel and tourism the information so that everyone has the link to the as well.
>   >    >
>   >    >  The link is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml%3Chttp://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml<http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml%3Chttp://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml%3Chttp://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml%3Chttp://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/animal_import/animal_imports_states.shtml>>>
>   >    >
>   >    >
>   >    >  When traveling especially with a service animal, in this case, a cruise.
>   >    >
>   >    >  Planning ahead, if you know you want to cruise in April starting planning as early as possible.  For those that have cruised before the staterooms are sometimes smaller than a hotel room, and having the room for the dog might be limited.  In this case, even though I will not be doing this again, I asked for an accessible stateroom, some of this might repeat when speaking of traveling period for someone who is disabled.  Because this was a travel agent graduation cruise with Norwegian Cruise Lines, all us travel agents had balcony accommodations, and every level of the ships have an accessible stateroom and no they are not more or less money then those for everyone else.
>   >    >
>   >    >  When planning your cruise with a guide dog, you need to call like I said way in advanced if you would like an accessible stateroom, there are many people I am glad to say that are traveling, and these rooms go very fast.
>   >    >
>   >    >  You need to let your travel agent, know you are bring your guide, they will accommodate you but if you don't tell them, they will not know to make a box for your dog to do his business.  Also, they do not put the box in your room, it is a health issue, and no they will not put the boxes on the balconies if you have one.
>   >    >
>   >    >  On Norwegian Cruise Lines, what they do is they will ask you what kind of stuffing you want in the box, it is a similar box to what we do at convention only smaller.  The placing of it is in a crew area only area.
>   >    >
>   >    >  Explanation here:  On a cruise, there is an area every few staterooms in between that the crew move between to take there carts or need to take an elevator to get to the next floor, basically behind the scenes, so near our stateroom there was one of these doors and we were shown the box for the dog.
>   >    >
>   >    >  Again, depending on the floor you are staying will determine where this is.
>   >    >
>   >    >  Maxx was confused at first because it was inside and not outside the box, and when Maxx is away anywhere, it takes him at least a day to go do his business, but he finally liked it and all was good.
>   >    >
>   >    >  You also need to do your homework on where you are going in my case it was Orlando, Great Stirrup Cay (which is Norwegian's own private island in the Bahamas), all the cruise lines have them, and Nassau (Paradise Island) in the Bahamas.
>   >    >
>   >    >  Orlando is a US State so there is no worry in that of where you want to go on an excursion, we decided not to go anywhere in Orlando, and stay on the ship, and check out the rest of what was available to do.
>   >    >
>   >    >  We didn't go to Great Stirrup Cay because at the island they bring ship tenders to the ship and that day their was 9 and 10 foot swells and the manager of the island said it was to dangerous to bring the boats out, so we had another day at sea. Also in the same area was Disney and Royal Caribbean and they couldn't get into there islands as well. These private islands are to shallow for the ships to have a pier to port to.
>   >    >
>   >    >  In the Bahamas, we did have an issue with one of the excursions we wanted to do.  I did call the excursion department with the cruise lines prior to what we wanted to do, and they told me we never had a problem with services animals and our excursions.  Well, I did and the cruise line has been informed, I did give a report back to the Access Department and management upon my return, the good, the bad and the ugly.  They are on it, so that these issues never happen again.
>   >    >
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>   >    >  So when I registered for this on the ship they had no problem with it, but the following day I was told that I couldn't bring my dog.  This was not from the cruise lines but the people who run the program.  They were going to allow it this once just for me, since I was a travel agent. I said no, and that we were going to do something else.  I have the e-mail from the company themselves of the excuse of why they didn't want to dog there. I mean Maxx was not going to go in the water with the dolphins, the supplier was concerned, since afterwards that in the same area that they have sea lions and that they have a less tolerance for illness and that they were concerned that they would get sick from the dog.
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> Message: 30
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:51:07 -0500
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
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> 
> I saw this on the Dog Park email list.
> 
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> 
> > This is such a well done and poignant video. Those of us who have had 
> > Seeing
> > Eye dogs really appreciate Lucas Franck's dedication and professional 
> > touch
> > in everything with which he is involved. Margo, was this on the Seeing Eye
> > list, or on their website? Anyway, thanks much for passing it along to us.
> >
> > Sherrill
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> > Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:57 AM
> > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> > Subject: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> >
> >
> > the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives and 
> > shows
> > Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this country.  He and
> > Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the guide dog
> > movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide dog schools
> > in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person narrating 
> > the
> > video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  Lukas
> > trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also trained 
> > wayne
> > and me as a team in 1991.
> >
> > Margo and Arrow
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNItSks
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> Message: 31
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:21:45 -0500
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
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> Actually, Morris Frank wasn't the first person to use a guide dog in the US. Theree was, apparently, a Senator who got one from a German trainer in 1926, but it didn't do so well, or something. We never hear about that guy, and I suspect there's a good reason for that.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
> 
> > I saw this on the Dog Park email list.
> > 
> > Margo and Arrow
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> > 
> > 
> >> This is such a well done and poignant video. Those of us who have had Seeing
> >> Eye dogs really appreciate Lucas Franck's dedication and professional touch
> >> in everything with which he is involved. Margo, was this on the Seeing Eye
> >> list, or on their website? Anyway, thanks much for passing it along to us.
> >> 
> >> Sherrill
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> >> Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
> >> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:57 AM
> >> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> >> Subject: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> >> 
> >> 
> >> the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives and shows
> >> Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this country.  He and
> >> Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the guide dog
> >> movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide dog schools
> >> in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person narrating the
> >> video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  Lukas
> >> trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also trained wayne
> >> and me as a team in 1991.
> >> 
> >> Margo and Arrow
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNItSks
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> Message: 32
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:32:56 -0500
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> Message-ID: <B4D20F7592414ED8943D3BA6B7A5A8FD at margoda7a829ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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> 
> I still contend Morris Frank was the first person to actually use a guide 
> dog because he actually used the dog, but, your point is well taken that 
> someone else had a guide dog in this country.
> 
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> 
> 
> > Actually, Morris Frank wasn't the first person to use a guide dog in the 
> > US. Theree was, apparently, a Senator who got one from a German trainer in 
> > 1926, but it didn't do so well, or something. We never hear about that 
> > guy, and I suspect there's a good reason for that.
> > --
> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 18, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Margo and Arrow wrote:
> >
> >> I saw this on the Dog Park email list.
> >>
> >> Margo and Arrow
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherrill O'Brien" 
> >> <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:29 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> >>
> >>
> >>> This is such a well done and poignant video. Those of us who have had 
> >>> Seeing
> >>> Eye dogs really appreciate Lucas Franck's dedication and professional 
> >>> touch
> >>> in everything with which he is involved. Margo, was this on the Seeing 
> >>> Eye
> >>> list, or on their website? Anyway, thanks much for passing it along to 
> >>> us.
> >>>
> >>> Sherrill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> >>> Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
> >>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:57 AM
> >>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] First person to Use Seeing eye dog in US
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> the following link has footage taken from The Seeing eye archives and 
> >>> shows
> >>> Morris Frank, the first person to use a guide dog in this country.  He 
> >>> and
> >>> Dorothy Harrison eustis founded the Seeing eye in 1929 and the guide dog
> >>> movement has moved forward since then and there are many guide dog 
> >>> schools
> >>> in this country, Canada, and throughout the world.  the person narrating 
> >>> the
> >>> video is Lukas Franck, a long-time instructor at the seeing Eye.  Lukas
> >>> trained my first two guide dogs--Deedee and Wayne.  Lukas also trained 
> >>> wayne
> >>> and me as a team in 1991.
> >>>
> >>> Margo and Arrow
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/seeing4me?feature=mhee#p/u/0/gwYHXNItSks
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