[nagdu] Advance Notification
Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
Wed Mar 28 16:58:15 UTC 2012
Isn't it illegal to demmand id before granting access though?
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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:48 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advance Notification
The only reason I can immediately think of that this approach might not
work is because you wouldn't be denied access. In your scenario I'm
understanding that you go to enter the store with guide dog, the store
wants to see ID claiming that their policy, you show ID with the caveat
that they provide in writing the play by play of the event, then you
enter the store and shop as usual. If I'm understanding this example
correctly, you would not actually have been denied access to the store,
which doesn't then qualify as a civil rights violation.
But that's assuming that you'd go the route of wanting to file a legal
complaint or get the police involved with a criminal action. If you
intend to follow up the situation with an advocate, letters to the head
office or some other similar action, then I think getting the event in
writing could work well.
a long, long while ago I saw a fill in the blank sort of form letter
that could be used in access denial situations. The premise was that
when confronted by an employee who refused you entry because of your
guide dog, you would politely request they fill out the form, then you
would leave to call the police or take whatever action you deemed
appropriate. a The letter was basically short paragraph that said
something to the effect of:
I, insert name, am denying access to John Smith who is blind and uses a
guide dog. to insert store name, because John Smith is accompanied by a
guide dog. John Smith has clearly stated that he is blind and that his
dog is in fact a trained guide dog. I understand that my refusal to
allow John Smith to enter insert store name is a violation of state and
federal laws. Signed by insert employee signature on this insert date.
I always thought it would be most satisfactory to try this approach just
to see the reaction of the difficult employee. I never have though.
Julie
On 3/28/2012 10:47 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
> My husband and I discussed this.
> His solution was "show the id, get the store manager to put in writing that this is their policy, then get the law involved".
> This way, you get what you need so the trip isn't wasted, you can still use the store while the case is being sorted out, and the store knows it did something bad.
> Anybody know why this wouldn't work?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila Leigland
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:31 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Advance Notification
>
> Rebeccca you have a valid point. I do carry tres's id card from the school but havenn't been asked to show it. There are times when I will do what needs to be done and that is just the way it has to be.
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