[nagdu] Political Correctness ?? and rudness

Nicole B. Torcolini at Home ntorcolini at wavecable.com
Thu Mar 29 00:09:28 UTC 2012


LOL, and exactly what was that supposed to mean?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Political Correctness ?? and rudness


> You're sure right about that!  Especially those Californians!!!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "rhonda cruz" <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Political Correctness ?? and rudness
>
>
>> not everyone. has the same problem.
>>
>> all of us. are different.
>> that is a great feeling.
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, we all have similar issues but it seems that people think they 
>>> have the right to treat people in ways they wouldn't even consider doing 
>>> if the person in question is a non disabled, sighted, straight, non 
>>> trans person. Somehow the rules of civility don't seem to apply.
>>>
>>> It is interesting how people react when facedf with this problem of 
>>> public intrusion for the first time.  I can help them out and educate 
>>> them about disability as I talk to them.
>>>
>>> I don't mind that people ask about my guide dog and then we talk about 
>>> dogs. This makes them more comfortable in interacting with a disabled 
>>> person.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" 
>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Political Correctness ?? and rudness
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lyn, The LBGT community is the one I was thinking of.  We don't need to 
>>>> know, so why ask.  Unless we have friends who are comfortible 
>>>> discussing it. If not, what does in matter.  We all have the same 
>>>> issues more or less.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" 
>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Political Correctness ?? and rudness
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Julie and Mardi,
>>>>> I will use the word blind most of the time.  I think political 
>>>>> correctness is just BS to detract one from real discussions and 
>>>>> attitudes held by people who don't belong to any "minority" group.  I 
>>>>> don't really care much about a person's terminology - I care about 
>>>>> their attitudes and respect for all people.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone calls my dog a "blind dog" when they really mean to say 
>>>>> "guide dog", I laugh and say to them, "I sure hope the hell not! I'd 
>>>>> be in real trouble with both of us being blind!" and we both crack up 
>>>>> at that thought!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marti, the rude people aren't you - it's the idiots who ask you all 
>>>>> those personal questions about why you use a wheelchair or have a 
>>>>> service dog that guides and does other tasks for you.  Maybe ask them 
>>>>> about their hystorectiemies or prostate problems and they'll get the 
>>>>> point real fast! LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> I see this same thing in the LGBT community where non-transsexual 
>>>>> people ask the transsexuals about their surgeries and other very 
>>>>> personal stuff. I find myself giving advice about dealing with thios 
>>>>> problem as I have dealt with this as a blind person all my life.  I 
>>>>> tell both groups that people asking personal questions about 
>>>>> surgeries, health, etc is intrusive and "none of their beeswax"!
>>>>>
>>>>> For me, I let people think whatever they like about what I can or 
>>>>> cannot see while I'm out and about town or on the bus so I don't get a 
>>>>> whole lot of questions from people.  I may get some questions if I 
>>>>> happen to get into a conversation with someone on the bus.  They 
>>>>> mainly ask about the dog.  I ask them if they have a dog and if they 
>>>>> say yes, we then go on to talk about their dog!  The blindness 
>>>>> questions go out the window.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:32 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Political Correctness ?? and rudness
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mardi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tell people I'm blind for a few reasons.  First it's how I identify 
>>>>>> myself.  I do have a bit of usable vision, but for most things I 
>>>>>> prefer to use a non visual alternative.  I am comfortable with the 
>>>>>> word blind. It's who I am.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second reason I say blind is because it is shorter.  Sure the 
>>>>>> word itself is shorter, but the conversation about my private medical 
>>>>>> details are also shorter when I use the word blind.  If I tell 
>>>>>> someone that I'm visually impaired, and I did used to use this 
>>>>>> terminology, it seems to invite a conversation about just exactly how 
>>>>>> much I can see, in what circumstances, on which day of the week, in 
>>>>>> what colors and what the underlying medical cause is.  Really I can 
>>>>>> live without all of that.  If I say I'm blind, then that is that and 
>>>>>> we can move directly on to what is important in that particular 
>>>>>> interaction. Sometimes I will do something or say something that cues 
>>>>>> the person in to the fact that I do have a bit of vision.  Sometimes 
>>>>>> they will ask if I can see some.  I just say "yes, a small bit" and 
>>>>>> do not elaborate.  I gently but firmly move the conversation back to 
>>>>>> the important bits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the whole PC movement is silly.  I think it was invented by 
>>>>>> able bodied, straight, white men who are a bit uncomfortable but 
>>>>>> won't admit it with people who are different.   I always put the 
>>>>>> adjective before the noun just as I do with any other descriptive 
>>>>>> words.  I say blind person not person who is blind, just as I say red 
>>>>>> sweater, not sweater which is red.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps my choice of the word blind has these effects or perhaps it 
>>>>>> is my comfort level with myself, my identity and my blindness.  I 
>>>>>> don't know, but I can say for certain that I have a lot less 
>>>>>> intrusive and inappropriate conversations since making this shift.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All my best,
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/25/2012 12:31 AM, Mardi Hadfield wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a political correctness question. I have been referring to my 
>>>>>>> self
>>>>>>> as legally blind. I don't call my self blind, as I feel that might 
>>>>>>> mislead
>>>>>>> other people into thinking that I am totally blind.I do have some
>>>>>>> sight,though it is diminishing.I am also deaf in one ear.I don't 
>>>>>>> refer to
>>>>>>> my self as Deafblind as I can still hear. I just can't tell where 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> sound is coming from.As a matter of fact, I seldom even mention that 
>>>>>>> I have
>>>>>>> a hearing problem.I have mentioned it on this list due to some of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> threds that have been discussed here. Is it the right thing to call 
>>>>>>> my self
>>>>>>> a legally blind person? If not, what should I say to people.I often 
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> asked if my dog is a wheelchair dog or a guide dog.They ask me, why 
>>>>>>> do I
>>>>>>> need a guide dog if I am using a wheelchair. I guess they think that 
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> people that can walk become blind?I actually dread talking about 
>>>>>>> this as I
>>>>>>> end up explaining all about how I have spinal stenosis and that is 
>>>>>>> why I
>>>>>>> use a wheelchair and then how I was affected by brain damage  and 
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> affected by macular degeneration, and that is why I am legally 
>>>>>>> blind. Then
>>>>>>> I have to explain legal blindness. I am a very private person and 
>>>>>>> hate
>>>>>>> answering all these questions. But some how they always ask.Some 
>>>>>>> times I
>>>>>>> just don't answer and then people think I am rude. All this while 
>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>> usually petting my dog. How do others on this list handle this 
>>>>>>> situation?
>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman and Tipton,future GDIT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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