[nagdu] Learning new routes with a guide dog.

Tue Oct 9 14:56:53 UTC 2012

exactly Cindy. 
I didn't say it as well as I could have, but that is exactly my question. 
And to be fair, our schools have low expectations re dogs running off-leash. 
I do think in Europe though a dog user is expected to have a sighted person assist with the running off-leash aspect. Am I right? 
I just have the impression that folks in Europe can get dogs but that they are highly dependent on sighted people if they do. Sounds very counterproductive.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Learning new routes with a guide dog.

Oh, I get the question, maybe better now than before. It is probably a fair question, and it could tell you a lot about if a person's independence is being compromised because of low expectations by the sighted.

Cindy Lou

On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:

> Does anybody besides me "get" my question though?
> Are you not encouraged/expected to just take your dog and go exploring in Sweeden?
> Why is this?
> It sounds very much like our argument here of "dogs not being allowe off-leash"
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vanessa Lowery
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:43 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Learning new routes with a guide dog.
> 
> Call the place of business where you are going to see about directions.
> Or just get out there, and if you have a general idea where the place is, start out and ask people along the way.
> 
> 
> 
> Vanessa Lowery, LGSW
> Adult and Community Services Division
> Adult Services Screening Unit
> 410-853-3550
> VLowery at dhr.state.md.us
> 
> 
>>>> Mária Orovčíková<maria.orovcikova at gmail.com> 10/9/2012 8:40 AM >>>
> Hi all,
> thank you for your helpful information you have posted so far, I highly
> 
> appreciate it.
> My another question is what to do in case you wanto go somewhere on your own and you do not have any friends or O.M. instructor where you live so you cannot get descriptions from them, plus descriptions your family provide are not very understandable and clear.
> Is there any other way how to get the information I need?
> Maria
> 
> On 9.10.2012 14:28, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>> Wow.
>> So you're saying in Sweeden you have to get someone to help you
> before you take the dog? What happens if a friend says "There's a great sandwich shop" and gives you directions but can't go with you when you want to go for the first time?
>> I'm curious to know if cane users have the same rules?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nadja
> Öberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:37 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Learning new routes with a guide dog.
>> 
>> 
>> BS"D
>> 
>> Maria,
>> 
>> In Sweden we owners first learn the new road with help of our low
> vision therapist, family member, friend or guide dog instructor. After that we walk the road with the dog in her lead and show her the road and what we want her to mark, lampposts, steps and zebra crossings with more. After that we work the dog in her harness.
>> 
>> We can also 'free work' our dogs and that means that we haven't work
> the dog that road before and often the road is even unknown for the owner. The school don't recommend this method because all guide dogs aren't made for it. I've done it with my dog; she loves new adventures and thinks known roads are boring. You can use a GPS when you work your dog. You need to remember to praise the dog even if she doesn't find the 'right' lamppost; it's your fault when it goes wrong not the dog because she doesn't know what you expect from her.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Nadja and Hera
>> 
>> Webpage: http://www.nadjaoberg.com
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